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  •           oldmanmike   
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      Straight Jacket Time
    Straight Jacket Time        16 Feb 2017, 17:19 #301
     I found out a lot of random things about Daniel and prophecy this time around.
     
     Jerome was a very smart man. When he was translating a mess of books into the Latin Vulgate, which was the Bible for a thousand years, he had in front of him:
     
     1. A copy of the Hebrew Bible, before the Masoretes added their vowel points.
     2. A copy of the Septuagint, the Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible generated by the Alexandrian Jews around 200 BC
     3. A copy of Theodotian's revision of the Septuagint, around 200 AD.
     4. The Gospels in Greek, plus all the Epistles and Revelation.
     5. He knew of a copy of Matthew's gospel in Hebrew, which was in the library in Caesaria, destroyed, of course. That's right, Matthew really did write his Gospel in Hebrew first. It's no rumor.
     6. Numerous, too numerous to mention, histories which he rattles off, by Greek and Roman historians forever lost, plus past of some which exist - Livy, Herodotus, Polybius, et al. Jerome said we must read these histories if we were to understand Daniel. Oh my gosh.
     
     Jerome's commentary on Daniel is online, written before he finished the Vulgate, which is how I bumped into it googling.
     
     I bring this up because, in the Catholic version of Daniel, there are the "aporcryphal" stories of the prayer of the 3 children (Daniel's 3 buddies who were thrown in to the furnace), Bel and the Dragon, and Susannah.
     These three stories were NOT present in the old Hebrew Bible, NOT present in the Septuagint, but added by Theodotian when he revised the Septuagint in the 2nd century. Jerome knew this because Origen's hexpla contained a side by side parallel translation of the Septuagint Daniel, and Theodotian's Daniel.
     
     Theodotian's Daniel was so popular that it replaced the old Septuagint Daniel so completely that only ONE copy of the Septuagint Daniel exists in the world.
     
     So Jerome had his choice, does he stick with the old, or translate Theodotian's Daniel. He justified the new by saying, "Why should we deprive the Western world of what the Greeks have been reading in their churches 200 years?"
     
     That is why the Catholic Bible has the long version of Daniel, and the Protestants have the short version (from the Masoretic revision of the Hebrew Bible).
     BTW, the Catholic Old Testament is a fifth century Hebrew copy before the Masoretes added vowel points. "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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      Straight Jacket Time
    Straight Jacket Time        16 Feb 2017, 17:36 #302
     All these different translations should not discourage anyone into thinking that we don't have what was passed down. The Dead Sea scrolls prove otherwise.
     
     What the Dead Sea scrolls proved is there was no such thing as an original Bible text. By the time of Jesus, there were at least 3 different versions of the Hebrew bible floating around plus the Septuagint, which is the scripture Jesus and the apostles quoted numerous times in the Gospels and Paul's epistles.
     
     Back in the day of the first Temple there was a master copy, but after Nebuchadnezzar got done leveling the place, scripture had to be regenerated.
     Jeremiah had to re-dictate Jeremiah 1-25, then added the oracles, after the king burned it page by page.
     
     David and Soloman would not have been able to read what Ezra dictated to the scribes, because they changed script from Old Hebrew to the square version, which was derived from the Aramaic (Syrian).
     
     People revise for the same reason we do. To make it readable. Hebrew fell out of disuse during the Hellenistic period, so the scribes translated into Greek. After 600 years of Greek, no one could read Greek anymore, so Jerome made a Latin translation. After 1000 years, the Reformationists translated an English version from Erasmus cleaned up version of the Vulgate. After 400 years of King James, people got tired of Old English, and now we have the NIV NLT and so on.
     
     Augustine (contemporary of Jerome) said, "The Holy Spirit is with the translators just as much as he was with the writers."
     
     I agree.
      "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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      Straight Jacket Time
    Straight Jacket Time        16 Feb 2017, 17:54 #303
      "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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    Straight Jacket Time        16 Feb 2017, 17:56 #304
     The focus of the above diagram/sort of timeline is Nebuchadnezzar's dream. This is not as it should be, the focus of all biblical prophecy is Israel. What happens elsewhere is incidental.
     
     So the ribbon down from the top labeled the "Jews" was Larkin's method of tracing the Jews through the Exile, the various statue kingdoms that ruled overthem, the dispersion (diaspora) when the the Romans leveled Jerusalem in 70 AD (notice the Lord paid them back for destroying Pompei/Herculaneum in 71 AD.)
     Larkin's Jewish timeline concludes with the return of the Jews through the statue's feet of iron and clay, because the thinking was in those days was the 10 toes represented 10 tribes. Since Jesus is the boulder, we know Jesus isn't going to destroy God's wife, so that theory got put to rest.
     
     Then, I replaced is Revelation images with more modern ones., and concluded with Jesus 1000 year reign and a new heaven and new earth promised in Rev 21. "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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      Straight Jacket Time
    Straight Jacket Time        19 Feb 2017, 15:33 #305
     
     
     war is coming... I hear the distant drumbeats
     
     :pray: for Protection because they will come for Christians*
     
     
     
     
     *some already are...see my post in the New First Lady thread
     and see my thread at beast's forum
     
     
     
     :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: storm's getting worse...
     we'll pass through it soon enough
     
     [size=50%]not by fire, but by ice? [/size]
     
     
      look at the sky five minutes every day and five minutes every night and it will change your life.? ?
     
     
     just sayin'
     
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      Creepy as Hell
    Creepy as Hell        19 Feb 2017, 20:19 #306
     I agree Morgan. :pray:
     
     
     Wow, Mike, thanks for those very informative posts.
     
     Do you ever think sometimes that you missed your calling of being a Biblical Scholar?
     
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      Straight Jacket Time
    Straight Jacket Time        19 Feb 2017, 21:48 #307
     
    Sadie,Feb 19 2017 wrote: I agree Morgan.
    :pray:
     
     
     Wow, Mike, thanks for those very informative posts.
     
     Do you ever think sometimes that you missed your calling of being a Biblical Scholar? Thank you for the kind words, Sadie, but all credit goes to the Lord for enlightenment, God is the source of all wisdom. I think I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing when I'm supposed to be doing it. I'm not any smarter than anyone else. That's what being born again means, accepting Jesus as your Lord and Savior. He's the boss. I hope the diagram and explanations help, that's all.
     That being said, Sadie, you and UF and the moderators should be taking a bow for providing a vehicle for an interpretation of God's word. "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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      Straight Jacket Time
    Straight Jacket Time        20 Feb 2017, 01:24 #308
     >"Dan 7:11-12
     12(The other beasts had been stripped of their authority, but were allowed to live for a period of time.)
     
     Back in my initial Daniel post, I made reference to this verse, which said the other beasts were allowed to live, after the fourth beast of Daniel 7 had been killed by fire. And the commentary said God reserved special punishment for the fourth beast.
     
     I did not realize the implications of that verse. The 4th 10-horned beast of Daniel is the same 10-toes that the boulder (Jesus) crushes in chapter 2, is the same 7 headed 10 horned beast referenced 3 times in Revelation.
     
     This means that beast is NOT Greece, is NOT the countries represented by Assyria or Babylonia, is NOT the countries represented by the 4 heads on the leopard in Dan 7, or the (eventual) 4 horns on the he-goat in Dan 8, which by Daniel 11:1-39 evolve into the 2 thighs on the statue in chapter 2 = the Seleucid or Ptolemaic empires, which comprise entire Middle East.
     
     Assuming the anti-Christ comes out of the 4th beast, all this says the one-world empire/antichrist will not be of Muslim origin. So ISIS will lose.
     
     Daniel 7 makes that plain, now that we analyze that verse. Can't happen.
     
     That means when God destroys Mystery Babylon in Revelation 18, it really is a mystery as to who Babylon is, because physical Babylon it isn't.............
     
     oh boy. "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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      Creepy as Hell
    Creepy as Hell        20 Feb 2017, 20:43 #309
     I heard these 2 brothers (who also happen to be Catholic priests) on C2C
     a few weeks back. They have a big prophecy site and lots of youtubes.
     I did not hear all of it but they made a very reasonable case for
     Rome being Mystery Babylon. But, they kind of lost me by saying
     (if I heard correctly cause I was half way falling asleep) that John Paul II
     was the antichrist.
     Now, I can go along with the current Pope being the False Prophet but I do
     not think JPII was the antichrist. He couldn't have been because the
     AntiChrist is not currently on the world scene that we know of.
     Another guy also on C2C said that the AntiChrist was a member of the
     British Royal family. :rolleyes:
     
     The Fathers do have an interesting website
     http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/
     
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      Creepy as Hell
    Creepy as Hell        23 Feb 2017, 01:19 #310
     A prediction that was given about Trump.
     
     The Hermit of Loreto
     
     
     Article with more info about the story of
     the miracle regarding Mary's househttp://www.tfp.org/science-confirms-ang ... to-loreto/

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      Straight Jacket Time
    Straight Jacket Time        23 Feb 2017, 17:22 #311
     
     
     
     Well... interesting... The Donald is the only POTUS I can remember that invokes The Lord
     
     :pray:
     
      storm's getting worse...
     we'll pass through it soon enough
     
     [size=50%]not by fire, but by ice? [/size]
     
     
      look at the sky five minutes every day and five minutes every night and it will change your life.? ?
     
     
     just sayin'
     
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      Creepy as Hell
    Creepy as Hell        23 Feb 2017, 21:50 #312
     
    Morgan Byler,Feb 23 2017 wrote: Well... interesting... The Donald is the only POTUS I can remember that invokes The Lord
     
    :pray: This is true, Morgan.
     
     I also do believe that God had a hand in this election.
     
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    Creepy as Hell        26 Feb 2017, 01:43 #313
     Saw this elsewhere.
     
     Just wondered what y'all think.
     
     
     
     THE JUBILEE YEARS: 17 AD AND 2017 AD
     "In the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar—when Pontius Pilate was governor of Judea, Herod tetrarch of Galilee, his brother Philip tetrarch of Iturea and Traconitis, and Lysanias tetrarch of Abilene— during the high-priesthood of Annas and Caiaphas, the word of God came to John son of Zechariah in the wilderness." [Luke 3:1,2]
     
     Once we understand that 1 AD marks the beginning of the reign of Tiberius Caesar and not the birth of Christ, the final pieces of the Time line puzzle fit perfectly. In 15 AD John the Baptist began his ministry as the forerunner of the Lord. This was the Year the Lord was baptized by John. Was tempted by the devil in the wilderness. And began His public Ministry. It was also in 15 AD that the Lord went to His home town, Nazareth, to proclaim the fulfillment of Isaiah 61:1, 2.
     
     "So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read. And He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when He had opened the book, He found the place where it was written: “The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me, because He has anointed Me To preach the gospel to the poor...to proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord..." [Luke 4:16-19]
     
     The "acceptable year" the Lord came to proclaim was in 17 AD, which was a Jubilee Year! Notice the Lord didn't complete reading the verse which says "And the day of vengeance of our God." This is because when the Lord came the first time He came to save lives and not destroy them. He said so Himself to the Disciples when the they wanted to call down fire from heaven to destroy those who rejected Him.
     
     "And as they went, they entered a village of the Samaritans, to prepare for Him. But they did not receive Him, because His face was set for the journey to Jerusalem. And when His disciples James and John saw this, they said, “Lord, do You want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them, just as Elijah did?” But He turned and rebuked them, and said, “You do not know what manner of spirit you are of. For the Son of Man did not come to destroy men’s lives but to save them.” And they went to another village." [Luke 9:52-56]
     
     This Year, 2017, is also an acceptable year. A Jubilee Year. This Year the "Day of vengeance" part of Isaiah 61:2 is going to be fulfilled. This time the Lord is coming again, not only to save all those of us who love and obey Him, but to destroy all those who refuse to know Him out of hatred, and as a consequence continue to live in disobedience towards Him.
     
     "...it is a righteous thing with God to repay with tribulation those who trouble you, and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints..."[2 Thess.1:6-8]
     
     In 17 AD in Month 1 Day 16, on First-fruits, the resurrection of many saints took place. "...the earth quaked, and the rocks were split, and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and coming out of the graves after His resurrection..." [Matt.27:52,53]
     
     Exactly 2,000 Years later in 2017 AD, this Year, in Month 1 Day 16, on First-fruits, I believe the resurrection of millions of saints is going to occur again! This time those of us who are alive are going to receive our glorified bodies and join them, as they ascend up into heaven. This didn't happen back in 17 AD because the Church Age had just begun. Now the Church Age, after 2,000 Years to the Day, is finally coming to an end! Be ready saints! We're finally going home!
     
     
     
     And, they added this later:
     
     
     The Lord Jesus Christ rose from the dead on First-fruits to become the resurrection of all the saints on First-fruits. This implies that the Rapture simply cannot occur on just any random Day in this Jubilee Year. "...now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the first-fruits of those who have fallen asleep [that is, have died]. For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. But each one in his own order: Christ the first-fruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. Then comes the end..." [1Cor.15:20-24] Christ is coming for us on First-fruit THEN the end of this Age will begin!
     
     Another thing that confirms we're going home on First-fruits is that we have in us the first-fruits of the Spirit. The first-fruits of the Spirit are all the good things we say and do by the Spirit of God Who dwells in us. Our encouraging, comforting and edifying words towards one another, as well as our kind deeds towards our families and the brethren originate from the Lord Jesus Christ, through His Spirit. These are the first-fruits that are storing up the glory of God in us to be revealed when our bodies are redeemed on First-fruits.
     
     "...I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God. For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now. Not only that, but we also who have the first-fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body." [Rom.8:18-23]
     
     "To those who seek glory, honor and immortality by perseverance in doing good, he will pay back eternal life." [Rom.2:7]
     
     "...we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. [Gal.5:5] "So let us not grow weary of doing what is good; for if we don’t give up, we will in due time reap the harvest." [Gal.6:9]
     
     "...don’t forget doing good and sharing with others, for with such sacrifices God is well pleased." [Heb.13:16]
     
     "Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation."[John 5:28,29]
     
     "And this is my prayer: that your love may more and more overflow in fullness of knowledge and depth of discernment, so that you will be able to determine what is best and thus be pure and without blame for the Day of the Messiah, filled with the fruit of righteousness that comes through Yeshua the Messiah..." [Phili.1:9-11] The Day of the Messiah is on First-fruits, which is on the third Day [Day 16] of the Passover feast.
     
     "The Lord of hosts will make for all people A feast of choice pieces, A feast of wines on the lees, Of fat things full of marrow,Of well-refined wines on the lees." [Isa. 25:6] First-fruits is when the following verse, quoted by the Apostle Paul from the book of Isaiah, will finally be fulfilled. "So when...this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.” [Isa.25:8]
     
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    Night Owl        01 Mar 2017, 20:57 #314
     I don't believe anyone who sets dates. "If your opponent is quick to anger, seek to irritate him"--Sun Tzu
     
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    Could be lost        02 Mar 2017, 00:49 #315
     
     "Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation."[John 5:28,29]
     
     
     I always heard it was about repentance,forgiveness,salvation,redemption?
     
     Whatever became of all that?
     
     We have all sinned, every single one of us.
     
     Doesn't the Bible teach that we are of a sin nature?
     
     These type of things confuse me so much....and keep me from reading it all the way through.
     
     It is like its contradicting itself. :dunno: If the best government is that which governs least, then the ideal government is the one which doesn't exist.    Quote     Like      Share                  Sadie   
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      Creepy as Hell
    Creepy as Hell        02 Mar 2017, 14:40 #316
     I'm thinking that it means those who have done evil and
     have not repented and asked for salvation will be condemned.
     Those who have done good and are saved will have the resurrection
     of life.
     
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    Night Owl        02 Mar 2017, 18:29 #317
     This video repeats, but it's a good watch.
     
      "If your opponent is quick to anger, seek to irritate him"--Sun Tzu
     
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    Night Owl        03 Mar 2017, 17:48 #318
     "If your opponent is quick to anger, seek to irritate him"--Sun Tzu
     
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    Creepy as Hell        04 Mar 2017, 20:51 #319
     Borrowed from elsewhere:
     
     
     Anyone believe in miracles?
     
     “When Israel declared itself an independent state on May 14, 1948, still another miracle occurred. The armies of seven Arab nations marched on the newborn State, boasting that they would “push the Jews into the sea.” Outnumbered 100 to 1, Israel not only repelled the invaders but acquired more of Palestine than was granted in the UN partition plan.
     
     Yigael Yadin, Israel’s commander of operations in that war, had a terse explanation of Israel’s victory.
     
     “It was a miracle!”
     
     Five Examples of Miracles
     
     A Syrian column of 200 armored vehicles—including 45 tanks—attacked Degania, the oldest kibbutz in Israel. What a psychological blow this defeat would be! Without artillery, Jewish forces were helpless to block the Syrian advance. Until then the only heavy weapons available in all Israel were four howitzers of the type used by the French army in the Franco-Prussian War of 1870. Two of these ancient fieldpieces were promptly dismantled and rushed to Degania. The local commander, Lieutenant Colonel Moshe Dayan, had them reassembled at the very moment the first Syrian tanks rumbled through the kibbutz perimeter, and they scored a hit on the advance tank. Had the Syrians known that these two obsolete weapons represented half the arsenal of fieldguns in all Israel, they would have pressed the attack. Instead, the armored vehicles swung around in their tracks and clattered back up the mountain road.
     
     At Safed, near the Sea of Galilee a small unit of Israeli defenders were holding off thousand Arabs. A sudden tropical storm broke loose. The Israelis in desperation took their remaining gasoline, poured it over 50 empty drums, set them afire and rolled them down the hill. The flaming barrels flying down the slopes, the rumble of hollow barrels striking rocks—together with the tropical storm—created such an illusion that the bewildered Arabs imagining some sort of secret weapon took to their heel and fled. In December 1948, the Egyptians were harassing Israeli settlements in the Negev while advanced columns were moving north. Yadin used the Bible for strategy. It mentioned an ancient road forgotten for centuries, which ran almost directly to Mushrafa, the Egyptians’ central garrison. Heavy boulders were pushed aside with bulldozers. Soldiers in armored vehicles, jeeps and supply trucks sped under cover of darkness along the ancient road and surprised the Egyptians. Taking this garrison destroyed the Egyptian defense system and ended the war 14 days later.
     
     To liberate the airport at Lydda the tactics of Gideon were employed. Seven thousand Arab troops were ready to attack. Sixteen Israelis dressed as Arabs infiltrated into the city of Lydda. Like Gideon’s band of 300 they made such a commotion during the night that the Arabs, totally confused, fired upon each other. Finally the majority fled back across the border.
     
     The Syrian Army had regrouped east of the Galilee. A Jewish column of 24 homemade armored trucks and cars, on the way to relieve a besieged Kibbutz, took the wrong road and crossed the border into Lebanon. Before they discovered their mistake, they ran head-on into a column of supplies for the Syrian Army in Galilee—dozens of trucks of ammunition, a string of light artillery and 20 new armored cars. The Israelis fired point blank at the first truck—a tanker loaded with gasoline. It exploded and set on fire the following truckload of hand grenades. Rapid repeating explosions were heard for miles around. Terrified, the Syrians abandoned their cargo. The Israelis scarcely had enough men to drive the captured supply train back into Galilee. Finally they reached the beleaguered Kibbutz, only to learn that the Arab besiegers heard rumors that the Jewish army had invaded Lebanon, therefore, the Arabs fled Israel.
     
     The victory of the 1948 War was a big miracle composed of a series of little miracles.
     
     Why? Over 2500 years ago the prophet Isaiah made a remarkable prophecy concerning Israel regathered back in her land. “They that war against thee shall be as nothing and as a thing of nought…for I will help thee.” (Isa 41:12,13).
     
     The Miracle of the ‘67 War
     
     The Arabs boasted that they would destroy Israel. However, in six days Israel overran the combined forces of Syria, Jordan, Egypt and took the Golan Heights, East Jerusalem, the West Bank (Samaria and Judea), and the Sinai—one of the greatest military feats in history. To many Orthodox Jews worldwide, especially in the United States, it was a wake-up call from God. Thousands poured into Israel and settled in Samaria and Judea to stake Israel’s eternal claim to the so-called West Bank—the heartland of Israel. They are certain the Messianic Age is near at hand. As Biblical Zionists, they oppose any give-away of land in the peace process.”
     
     There are more miracles. See http://www.heraldmag.org/olb/contents/d ... racles.htm
     
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    Night Owl        04 Mar 2017, 23:09 #320
     "If your opponent is quick to anger, seek to irritate him"--Sun Tzu
     
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    Night Owl        29 Mar 2017, 04:59 #321
     [YOUTUBE][/YOUTUBE] "If your opponent is quick to anger, seek to irritate him"--Sun Tzu
     
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     [YOUTUBE][/YOUTUBE] "If your opponent is quick to anger, seek to irritate him"--Sun Tzu
     
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    Creepy as Hell        29 Mar 2017, 16:18 #323
     I watched the Paul Begley video.
     For some reason, I did not see it when you first
     posted it. I like his videos.
     
     I have viewed here and there on
     the other one because it is so long.
     Unless someone actually preaches something counter to scripture like
     Christ was not born of a virgin or that (like the Pope said)
     anyone who is good can get into heaven even if you do not believe.
     Or that Allah and the Christian God are the same, Or, if they are pretending
     to be healers just to make money, I usually hesitate to call them
     a heretic or false prophet. But, those are just a few examples.
     
     Speaking of Begley, here is one I just watched.
     
     
     
     
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    Night Owl        02 Apr 2017, 05:38 #324
     "If your opponent is quick to anger, seek to irritate him"--Sun Tzu
     
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    Creepy as Hell        08 Apr 2017, 20:19 #325
     Even though he can be very annoying, I really like this
     guy's videos. This was a good one. I really enjoyed it.
     
     For Ken Clement :candle:
     
     
     
     I found this info very interesting and surprising.
     
     
     For mysterious reason, Russia just became first country to recognize West Jerusalem as Israel’s capital
     by Menachem Rephun
     
     Russia’s Foreign Ministry issued a surprise statement Thursday acknowledging West Jerusalem as Israel’s capital [Photo by Golasso via Wikipedia Commons]
     Russia became the first country in the world Thursday to recognize West Jerusalem as Israel’s capital.
     
     “We reaffirm our commitment to the UN-approved principles for a Palestinian-Israeli settlement, which include the status of East Jerusalem as the capital of the future Palestinian state,” Moscow’s Foreign Ministry stated.
     
     “At the same time, we must state that in this context we view West Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.”
     
     During his campaign, President Donald Trump repeatedly pledged to relocate the U.S. embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, though the move has yet to be implemented. The suggestion has been greeted with furor by much of the Arab world, with Palestinian Authority chief negotiator Saeb Erekat suggesting it would completely derail any hope for the peace process.
     
     It is not yet known what promoted Russia’s unexpected statement acknowledging West Jerusalem as Israel’s capital, though Israel Foreign Ministry spokesman Emmanuel Nahshon said Israel is “studying the matter.”
     
     Despite the acknowledgement, Russia’s Foreign Ministry said it is “deeply concerned about the situation in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. Palestine and Israel have not held political negotiations for nearly three years, and the situation on the ground has been deteriorating.”
     
     The subject of Jerusalem (or part of it) as Israel’s capital was reportedly not mentioned during a phone conversation Thursday between Putin and Benjamin Netanyahu, though Syria’s chemical weapons attack and this week’s terror attack in St. Petersburg were discussed by the two leaders.
     https://jpupdates.com/2017/04/07/for-my ... s-capital/
     
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    Night Owl        09 Apr 2017, 04:46 #326
     Sounds like the pieces are really starting to fall into place. It's all getting too real, and it's coming fast, like a runaway train. "If your opponent is quick to anger, seek to irritate him"--Sun Tzu
     
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    Creepy as Hell        09 Apr 2017, 20:45 #327
     I have always heard that the AC will be 33 when he comes on the scene.
     The same age as Christ when he began his ministry. I don't know if that is
     Biblical or not.
     
     
     
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    Creepy as Hell        09 May 2017, 22:25 #331
     Afterlife: The TRUTH about "LIFE-after-DEATH" ~a SUPERNATURAL documentary on Heaven, Hell & Angels
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     Thoughts?
     
     
     IS 'GRAND ILLUSION' ABOUT GRAND CANYON ON VERGE OF BEING EXPOSED?
     Christian geologist sues feds for refusing research permit
     Published: 18 hours ago
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     A geologist is suing the National Park Service and its operations at Grand Canyon National Park because officials there refused him permission to do ordinary research due to his “Christian faith and scientific viewpoints informed by his Christian faith.”
     
     
     Andrew Snelling, who works with Answers in Genesis
     The case was brought by the Alliance Defending Freedom on behalf of Andrew Snelling, who works with Answers in Genesis.
     
     AIG said in a statement: “Apparently, Dr. Snelling’s most recent research project on behalf of a high-profile group (AiG) was deemed a threat to the prevailing viewpoint of the canyon’s formation and timing. The language used by park officials and its reviewers to describe Dr. Snelling’s proposal decry that a Christian and creationist seeks to do the research.”
     
     The group said Snelling’s proposed study “could yield results that will undermine an idea that is heavily promoted inside the park: namely, that the canyon’s strata were formed over millions of years.
     
     “With his intended research, Dr. Snelling seeks to gather samples at folds inside the canyon where all the layers were bent, but were not shattered because the rocks were still soft as they folded – supposedly remaining soft over a period of 450 million years.”
     
     Snelling said the case “is all about giving the freedom for a scientist to do good science without having to undergo a religious litmus test.”
     
     “The samples I have been blocked from collecting in the GCNP are to be subjected to routine lab processing and investigations any good scientist would perform,” he said. “The results are to be openly reported for all scientists to draw their own conclusions, whether or not they agree with my worldview interpretation of the history of the Earth.”
     
     What really happened at creation? Some of the world’s best experts have given their opinions, in “Creation Seminar,” “Eden to Evil,” “Scientific Creationism,” “The Lie” and more, all at the WND Superstore.
     
     ADF noted Snelling holds a Ph.D. in geology from the internationally acclaimed University of Sydney and has conducted geological research in Australia and the United States. He has published works in peer-reviewed journals and has substantial field and laboratory experience with both theoretical and practical geological research.
     
     “Nonetheless, National Park Service officials denied his routine request to obtain a few fist-sized rock samples from the Grand Canyon after learning of his Christian views about the Earth’s beginnings,” ADF said. “Despite the fact that Dr. Snelling had accomplished prior research in the canyon, Park officials ran him through a gamut of red tape for more than three years.”
     
     Grand-Canyon-NPS
     
     ADF Senior Counsel Gary McCaleb noted scientists will always look at data and challenge one another’s interpretations.
     
     “Such disagreement is how science works. But when the government starts refusing access to even collect the information because it dislikes one scientist’s views, it undercuts science and violates the law,” he said.
     
     ADF Allied Attorney Michael Kitchen said the case “perfectly illustrates why President Trump had to order executive agencies to affirm religious freedom, because park officials specifically targeted Dr. Snelling’s religious faith as the reason to stop his research.”
     
     “The government isn’t allowed to discriminate against someone based on their viewpoint, and National Park officials have absolutely no legal justification in stopping a scientist from conducting research simply because they don’t agree with his views,” he said. “Using someone’s views to screen them for a government benefit is unconstitutional.”
     
     Scientists who conduct research in the park must explain their objectives and obtain a permit.
     
     However, in Snelling’s case, the lawsuit explains, permit coordinator Ronda Newton insisted on two peer reviews of his plans.
     
     He provided three, all recommending his work.
     
     But then Newton went to additional lengths and asked for the opinion of a professor from the University of New Mexico, Karl Karlstrom, who demonstrated “antipathy for Dr. Snelling’s religious faith and the religious views of the scientists who provided peer reviews on behalf of Dr. Snelling.”
     
     Newton sought another opinion from Peter Huntoon of the University of Wyoming, who worked with Karlstrom on various projects.
     
     He condemned Snelling’s plan, arguing “ours is a secular society as per our constitution (sic)” and suggested “inappropriate interests” should be “screened out.”
     
     The park wanted to require Snelling first to travel through the canyon and obtain GPS coordinates of locations he wanted to research before obtaining a permit.
     
     “The actual reason behind the rejection was because of Dr. Snelling’s Christian faith and scientific viewpoints informed by his Christian faith,” the lawsuit charges.
     
     Defendants are Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke, National Park Director Michael Reynolds, Regional Director Sue Masica and park Supt. Christine S. Lehnertz.
     
     Snelling said: “We expect debate about what the evidence means, but the Park shouldn’t prevent us from collecting data just like other scientists. I am merely asking for equal treatment by the government.”
     
     He had proposed collecting about 40 small samples from inside the canyon. But after throwing up multiple obstacles, the park eventually quit responding to Snelling and then refused to respond to a question from Rep. Trent Franks, R-Ariz., on behalf of Snelling.
     
     In its statement, AIG pointed to President Trump’s executive order May 4 affirming the executive branch’s intent to “vigorously enforce federal law’s robust protections for religious freedom.”
     
     “The primary defendant in the Snelling lawsuit is the Department of the Interior, which manages America’s national parks,” AIG said. “The DOI falls under the purview of President Trump’s executive branch of government.”
     
     Ken Ham, president of AiG, explained his scientist is “just asking for equal access to the canyon and not be stonewalled.”
     
     more
     http://www.wnd.com/2017/05/is-grand-ill ... g-exposed/
     
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     Velikovski, a Russian Jew, said the Grand Canyon was formed at about the time of Exodus, partially when Lake Bonneville drained. That's about 4000 years ago.. "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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    Straight Jacket Time        22 May 2017, 00:23 #334
     
    Sadie,Apr 9 2017 wrote: I have always heard that the AC will be 33 when he comes on the scene.
     The same age as Christ when he began his ministry. I don't know if that is
     Biblical or not.
     
     
    AC=33 is not Biblical. The AC shows his face halfway through the trib.
     
     One prophecy that has to be fulfilled before the Day of the Wrath of God is, Elijah MUST come back 1st, probably one of the unnamed witnesses during the tribulation. "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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    Creepy as Hell        08 Jun 2017, 21:31 #335
     
     
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     “Streaked, Speckled, Spotted”, First Jacob’s Lambs in 2,000 Years Born in Native Land
     By Adam Eliyahu Berkowitz June 8, 2017 , 12:30 pm
     
     
     “I will pass through all thy flock to-day, removing from thence every speckled and spotted one, and every dark one among the sheep, and the spotted and speckled among the goats; and of such shall be my hire.” Genesis 30:32
     
     After a journey as dramatic as anything in the Bible, the first Jacob’s Sheep born in the land of Israel in over two millennia made their auspicious appearance last month in the Jordan Valley. One Torah Codes expert found an amazingly precise and detailed description of the flock’s arrival and the role it will play in bringing the Third Temple.
     
     The precious flock of 119 Jacob’s Sheep, a rare breed experts believe originated in Israel, finally returned in November after a journey of 2,000 years. Experts believe the unique breed, originally raised by Jacob, accompanied the Hebrews into slavery in Egypt and spread from there to North Africa. The Moors traded them to Spain, and then to England. Collectors have since brought them to North America. Considered a ‘heritage’ breed, meaning the sheep retain many of their genetic traits, they thrive in desert climes and have four horns.
     
     Despite the nearly non-stop travel that brought them from Western Canada to central Israel, the 30 pregnant ewes were as hardy as their Biblical ancestors, birthing healthy lambs in the Jordan Valley’s Sde Trumot, as their ancestors did in the time of the Biblical patriarchs.
     
     Gil and Jenna Lewinsky, who battled intense bureaucracy to bring the flock to Israel from Canada, see the return of the sheep as an integral part of the return of the Jewish People to the Holy Land. Their name comes from their striking speckled appearance, conforming to the description of the flocks that Jacob took with him when he left the house of his father-in-law, Laban.
     
     And the flocks conceived at the sight of the rods, and the flocks brought forth streaked, speckled, and spotted. Genesis 30:39
     
     Gil emphasized the importance of sheep to the people of Israel, explaining to Breaking Israel News that after the plague of darkness, Moses refused Pharaoh’s offer to leave Egypt since it did not include the sheep.
     
     “The Jews need the sheep to serve God in the Third Temple,” Gil explained. “Their wool is used in making the clothes for the kohanim (men of the priestly caste), and they are the breed that was offered up as a sacrifice in the First and Second Temples.”
     
     MORE
     Read more athttps://www.breakingisraelnews.com/8931 ... jFOSYW3.99
     
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     Military Intelligence Analyst Identifies ISIS as Ancient Nemesis Amalek
     By Adam Eliyahu Berkowitz April 27, 2017 , 12:30 pm
     
     “Wherefore then didst thou not hearken to the voice of Hashem, but didst fly upon the spoil, and didst that which was evil in the sight of Hashem?’” I Samuel 15:19 (The Israel Bible™)
     
     image:https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/wp-c ... -ref-2.jpg
     
     
     Moses holding up his arms during the Battle of Rephidim, assisted by Hur and Aaron, in John Everett Millais’ Victory O Lord! (1871). (Wikimedia Commons)
     The violent, ongoing conflict between Egypt and the Islamic State currently raging in the Sinai is a reenactment of the Biblical confrontation between Israel and Amalek, even taking place on the same battlefield, pointed out a military analyst who has turned to the Bible to make sense of current events.
     
     Exodus tells of the legendary battle between Amalek, the ancestral enemy of the Jewish people, and the Israelites, which took place in a place called Rephidim, located in the Egyptian desert.
     
     Then came Amalek, and fought with Israel in Rephidim. Exodus 17:8
     
     Two thousand years later, a new battle against Israel’s enemies is being staged in exactly the same place: an Egyptian airfield in Bir Gafgafa, which is located precisely on the Biblical site of Rephidim in the Sinai Peninsula.
     
     image:https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/wp-c ... -sinai.png
     
     
     ISIS militants in the Sinai Peninsula. (Screenshot)
     The connection was made, surprisingly, by Debka Files, an Israeli military intelligence website. Giora Shamis, the editor of the website, immediately saw the Biblical context as the framework for understanding a situation that pits ISIS-affiliated fighters against Egypt, considered an ally of Israel in this conflict.
     
     “I am not religious, but the correlation between ISIS and Amalek is clear and should be taken into account when considering modern events,” Shamis told Breaking Israel News. “What happened thousands of years ago is simply being played out again, a continuation of what already happened there historically.”
     
     Shamis, who is secular, sees the Bible as a source that has a great deal to contribute in understanding the modern political forum.
     
     “The stories in the Bible not only have a religious side, but they also have a political aspect we would do well to learn from,” Shamis said.
     
     Shai Ben Tekoa, another journalist who views current events from a Biblical perspective, also sees Amalek as an archetype for ISIS, explaining in detail how ISIS can trace its military and ideological heritage from the Biblical nemesis.
     
     image:https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/wp-c ... 00WIDE.jpg
     
     “ISIS in particular and Islamic terrorism in general are clearly incarnations of Amalek,” said Tekoa, former head broadcaster for Arutz Sheva, to Breaking Israel News. “Like Amalek, they seek out gratuitous cruelty.”
     
     Ben Tekoa noted the tactical similarities in Israel’s Biblical confrontation with Amalek and how it translates to modern problems with Islamic terror.
     
     image:https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/wp-c ... 3x1024.png
     
     
     Map of the Sinai Peninsula and Israel. (Wikimedia Commons)
     “Amalek’s main tactic was to avoid head-on confrontation,” Ben Tekoa explained. “They were sneaky, coming up from the rear to attack the weakest in society, just like ISIS and Islamic terrorists today.
     
     “Our problem is not with Islamic armies. Islamists are congenital ambush artists, inheriting this from their Biblical forefathers.”
     
     Ben Tekoa feels that the Biblical perspective is the most accurate lens for perceiving the regional politics and other journalists would do well to follow suit.
     
     “The Bible is true, and its timeless brilliance is the best source for understanding the world today,” Ben Tekoa said. He related how, after learning about religion and Islam at Columbia University, he turned to the Bible for more insight. “I learned more about the Arabs and Islam from the few sentences in the Bible concerning Ishmael than from all the academic sources I studied.”
     
     It appears that the political analysts are just now catching on to what religious experts have known all along. Rabbi Matityahu Glazerson, an expert in Bible codes, posted a video in 2015 in which he noted that the word ‘Amalek’ is composed of two words: ‘Am’ (nation) and ‘Malek’ (behead), hinting at ISIS’s signature brutality.
     
     Rabbi Glazerson went on to show the gematria (numerology) of Amalek equals 240. Every nation has a ruling angel, and Amalek’s angel is the evil Samael. The gematria of Samael equals 136. Rabbi Glazerson then combined the two names and arrived at a total of 376, which equals the numerology of Daesh, the Arabic acronym for ISIS.
     
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     Amalek, as I gather, was "hated" by God for his/their sexual perversions.
     
     As far as the "father" of ISIS, Daesh had nothing on the Assyrians. The Assyrians were the first and worst of systematic terror and torture. Yeah they were worse than Daesh.
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      "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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     This article on Drudge is incredible. Revelations says 4 angels are in charge of the weather.
     http://www.thedailybeast.com/this-secre ... -the-devil "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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    oldmanmike,Jun 18 2017 wrote: This article on Drudge is incredible. Revelations says 4 angels are in charge of the weather.
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/this-secre ... -the-devil I bet those are some of the ones Father Martin talked about on C2C
     as there being Satan worshipers in the Vatican? He died not too long
     after this interview with Art. IMO, his death was suspicious.
     
     
     
     
     
     I just learned that there is a documentary on Fr Martin on Netflix.
     It sounds interesting. I think I will check it out.
     http://www.thechristianreview.com/netfl ... hi-martin/
     
     

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    Creepy as Hell        06 Jul 2017, 22:29 #341
     Sign of the times or business as usual?
     
     According to Fr Malachi Martin, this was going on back when he was on
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     VATICAN POLICE RAID DRUG-FUELLED GAY ORGY AT CARDINAL’S APARTMENT
     Published: July 5, 2017
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     Vatican police have raided a cardinal’s apartment where a drug-fuelled homosexual orgy was taking place.
     
     Police entered an apartment at the former palace of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (or Holy Office) last month not far from the Vatican City.
     
     The occupant of the apartment is alleged to be a priest who serves as a secretary to cardinal Francesco Coccopalmerio, the head of the Pontifical Council for Legislative texts and a personal adviser to the Pope.
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     Update
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     Attack at Israel embassy in Jordan's capital Amman
     15 minutes ago
     
     Security forces stand guard outside the Israeli embassy in the residential Rabiyeh neighbourhood of the Jordanian capital Amman following an "incident" on July 23,
     Security forces have closed roads in the area
     An attack has taken place at the Israeli embassy in the Jordanian capital, Amman, with casualties reported.
     
     A BBC reporter at the scene says the immediate vicinity has been locked down but authorities have not released details.
     Media reports citing security sources say one Jordanian was killed and one Israeli seriously injured.
     
     Israeli authorities are believed to be evacuating embassy staff.
     The heavily protected embassy is located in the Rabiyeh neighbourhood, an affluent part of Amman.
     
     On Friday, thousands of Jordanians protested in Amman against Israel over the installation of metal detectors at a site sacred to both Muslims and Jews in Jerusalem.
     Jordan is the custodian of Muslim religious sites in the city.
     Israeli authorities are not commenting on the incident and have imposed reporting restrictions.
     http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-40700467
     
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     [YOUTUBE][/YOUTUBE] "If your opponent is quick to anger, seek to irritate him"--Sun Tzu
     
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     [YOUTUBE][/YOUTUBE] "If your opponent is quick to anger, seek to irritate him"--Sun Tzu
     
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     Amazing!
     
     Thanks for posting this.
     
     Now, if they can just convince the Jewish elders that this
     was the place, then the rebuilding can begin and we are that
     much closer to Jesus coming back.
     
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    Sadie,Aug 4 2017 wrote: Amazing!
     
     Thanks for posting this.
     
     Now, if they can just convince the Jewish elders that this
     was the place, then the rebuilding can begin and we are that
     much closer to Jesus coming back.
    There are a lot of scholars that disagree with his findings on where the temple sat, but they still have not found where Solomon's temple stood. At least there is a temple where this man says the temple stood, and it has the areas where animals were sacrificed and oil made. The problem with this is, tradition is getting in the way of good archaeology, and too many people have too much invested in what they believe and where they believe the temple stood, so it will be an uphill battle for anything to be believed, even if they can show proof that the temple was built in the City of David. "If your opponent is quick to anger, seek to irritate him"--Sun Tzu
     
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    Rogue of the celestial night,Aug 4 2017 wrote:
    [YOUTUBE][/YOUTUBE] Good one Rogue - I was surprised when I learned that the Wailing Wall was a Roman fort because I read the Bible and Josephus. "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"

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      Straight Jacket Time
    Straight Jacket Time        10 Aug 2017, 10:24 #351
     
     
     Backstory. My wife told me about this video and the eclipse and I wasn't going to pay it no never mind, but I watched it. This is the greatest prophecy sermon I ever heard. This guy is great. He doesn't scream and holler like Hagee and Stone. He's not stretching things to make it fit. It's all logical. I never realized the connection between solar eclipses and prophecy. He's an oriental guy teaching the way the Jews look at number to preach prophecy. Very low key.
     
     There is one quote in there - "History = Prophecy". It's true. If you want to know what's going to happen, read about what has happened.
     
     If you don't care one hoot about religious prophecy, spin it down to the 40 minute mark where he embarks on the best argument for Trump against the NWO you ever heard.
     
     He starts with Genesis 1:14 and the number 4 and the number 400. By the way he uses what the Jews call "gematria" what we call numerology sort of, but numerology is not an end in itself.
     
     
     Gen 1:14
     14 And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years........"
     NIV
     This happened on the 4th Day. Number 4
     Day 4 is for signs.
     The Hebrew word for sign = tav = 400 numerical equvalent
     The sun is 400 times larger than the moon. The sun is 400 times further away from the earth than the sun.
     
     So God intended for the sun, moon, and stars to be used, among other things, to give mankind signs
     
     He spent a long time preaching Jonah in a fashion I heard once from my preacher Ricky, with this added spin:
     
     Matt 16:3-4
     4 A wicked and adulterous generation looks for a miraculous sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah." Jesus then left them and went away.
     NIV

     
     I never looked at it the way he preached it, the evil will only get one sign, the sign of Jonah. But if you are a believer, then you will get many signs. The evil get one!
     
     So what was the sign of Jonah? Everyone thinks, 3 days and 3 nights in the belly of the whale. But there's much more than that.
     
     Well, Jonas said he died and went to the gates of hell and was resurrected back to life and spit out on the beach. So Jonah was Resurrected! Jonah being a symbol of Christ's resurrection is only part of the sign.
     
     This is the only time in the Bible where a prophet hated the people he was prophecying to , he didn't want to be there, you know the story. So he half-hearted tells them to repent and essentially a revival breaks out, and God didn't destroy Nineveh (then, he waited a hundred and fifty years)
     
     Anyway, now comes ancient history. It turns out a couple of months before Jonah got there, there was a total solar eclipse of June 15, 763 BC over Nineveh- they know this because it was inscribed in so many tablets all over the Middle East, it was well known in Jesus time, they taught this to the kids in the schools. Around the same time there was an earthquake and a plague. So the people were ready to hear Jonah.
     
     Remember what happened when Jesus was crucified? The sky got dark from 12 to 3, and when he died at 3PM there was an earthquake. (But, this time there was no solar eclipse, but somehow God darkened the sun, and caused a quake. Secular history records this event). So that was the sign for Jesus' generation to repent. They didn't, and Jerusalem was leveled in 70 AD which began the Jewish Diaspora.
     
     Fast forward to June 28 1914. A solar eclipse crossed eastern Europe. Aug 1914 Archduke Ferdinand was assassinated in Sarajevo and WW1 started.
     
     June 8, 1918 -- Solar eclipse crossed the United States. Spanish Flu - a pandemic that killed 600K here and 50-100M worldwide. Not good.
     
     Now you're getting the picture. Wait till you see the picture of all the geological hot zones of the US and the path of the eclipse.
     He works in my favorite chapter, Isaiah 18. I love it.
     
     So he's suggesting this solar eclipse of August 21, 2017 is a sign for America, that we are going to undergo a military reversal like Nineveh, we will have an earthquake like Nineveh, we will have a "plague and pestilence" like Nineveh.
     
     Great video.
     (In a future posted video, he expressed the opinion that during the Crucifixion, God darkened the sun for 3 hours from 12PM to 3PM using what the tinfoilers call Planet X or Niburu. Man after my own heart.)
     
      "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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      Creepy as Hell
    Creepy as Hell        10 Aug 2017, 20:14 #352
     
     
     I'm going to watch the video now.
     
     Mike, did you know that there will be another eclipse visible
     from the US in 2020? I don't know if it is total or not and won't
     cover as much of the US BUT, if you look at the map of the upcoming
     eclipse and the one in 2024. the place that the coverage
     crosses is over the New Madrid area. I thought that was
     interesting.
     
     PS, I have seen vids of this pastor before. he is good.
     IIRC, his church is in Australia.
     
     PS What do you think about what the signs in the heavens
     that is happening on Sept 23rd regarding Revelation 12?
     Oh, nevermind, he covers it in the video.
     He also covers what I was saying above about New Madrid.
     (I'm half way through the video)
     
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      Hard to believe
    Hard to believe        10 Aug 2017, 21:05 #353
     It better be the dadgum end o' days this time :late:     Quote     Like      Share                  oldmanmike   
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      Straight Jacket Time
    Straight Jacket Time        11 Aug 2017, 00:19 #354
     
    Sadie,Aug 10 2017 wrote:

     
     I'm going to watch the video now.
     
    wrote:Mike, did you know that there will be another eclipse visible
     from the US in 2020?
    2024. no I didn't know. 7 years later.
     
    wrote: I don't know if it is total or not and won't
     cover as much of the US BUT, if you look at the map of the upcoming
     eclipse and the one in 2024. the  place that the coverage
     crosses is over the New Madrid area. I thought that was
     interesting.
    I was shocked.
     
     PS, I have seen vids of this pastor before. he is good.
     IIRC, his church is in Australia.
     
    wrote:PS What do you think about what the signs in the heavens
     that is happening on Sept 23rd regarding Revelation 12?
    I was kinda frazzled by then. I have to re-watch the video.
     
    wrote: Oh, nevermind, he covers it in the video.
     He also covers what I was saying above about New Madrid.
     (I'm half way through the video)
    This preacher is the best I ever heard on you tube. "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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      Creepy as Hell
    Creepy as Hell        11 Aug 2017, 02:06 #355
     That was a really good video
     
     I was wrong above, I said 2020 but meant 2024
     as to the other eclipse.
     
     
     I was also wrong I thought he was also going to talk
     about Sept 23 but he did not.
     He has made a separate video all about it though.
     
     
     
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      Could be lost
    Could be lost        11 Aug 2017, 13:57 #356
     
    oldmanmike,Aug 10 2017 wrote:

     
     Backstory. My wife told me about this video and the eclipse and I wasn't going to pay it no never mind, but I watched it. This is the greatest prophecy sermon I ever heard. This guy is great. He doesn't scream and holler like Hagee and Stone. He's not stretching things to make it fit. It's all logical. I never realized the connection between solar eclipses and prophecy. He's an oriental guy teaching the way the Jews look at number to preach prophecy. Very low key.
     
     There is one quote in there - "History = Prophecy". It's true. If you want to know what's going to happen, read about what has happened.
     
     If you don't care one hoot about religious prophecy, spin it down to the 40 minute mark where he embarks on the best argument for Trump against the NWO you ever heard.
     
     He starts with Genesis 1:14 and the number 4 and the number 400. By the way he uses what the Jews call "gematria" what we call numerology sort of, but numerology is not an end in itsel.
     
     here's the U-tube version. My wife loved this video
     Gen 1:14
     14 And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years........"
     NIV
     This happened on the 4th Day. Number 4
     Day 4 is for signs.
     The Hebrew word for sign = tav = 400 numerical equvalent
     The sun is 400 times larger than the moon. The sun is 400 times further away from the earth than the sun.
     
     So God intended for the sun, moon, and stars to be used, among other things, to give mankind signs
     
     He spent a long time preaching Jonah in a fashion I heard once from my preacher Ricky, with this added spin:
     
     
     He spent a long time on Jonah.
     
     Matt 16:3-4
     4 A wicked and adulterous generation looks for a miraculous sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah." Jesus then left them and went away.
     NIV

     
     I never looked at it the way he preached it, the evil will only get one sign, the sign of Jonah. (But if you are a believer, then you will get many signs. The evil get one!)
     
     So what was the sign of Jonah? Everyone thinks, 3 days and 3 nights in the belly of the whale.
     
     Well, Jonas said he died and went to the gates of hell and was resurrected back to life and spit out on the beach. So Jonah was Resurrected! So the Resurrection is the only sign the evil generation will get (and understand).
     
     So here Jonah, this is the only time in the Bible where a prophet hated the people he was prophecying to , he didn't want to be there, you know the story. So he half-hearted tells them to repent and essentially a revival breaks out, and God didn't destroy Nineveh (then, he waited a hundred years)
     
     Anyway, now comes ancient history. It turns out a couple of months before Jonah got there, there was a total solar eclipse of June 15, 763 BC over Nineveh- they know this because it was inscribed in so many tablets all over the Middle East, it was well known in Jesus time, they taught this to the kids in the schools. Around the same time there was an earthquake and a plague. So the people were ready to hear Jonah.
     
     Remember what happened when Jesus was crucified? The sky got dark from 12 to 3, and when he died at 3PM there was an earthquake. (But, this time there was no solar eclipse, but somehow God darkened the sun, and caused a quake. Secular history records this event). So that was the sign for Jesus' generation to repent. They didn't, and Jerusalem was leveled in 70 AD which began the Jewish Diaspora.
     
     Fast forward to June 28 1914. A solar eclipse crossed eastern Europe. Aug 1914 Archduke Ferdinand was assassinated in Sarajevo and WW1 started.
     
     June 8, 1918 -- Solar eclipse crossed the United States. Spanish Flu - a pandemic that killed 600K here and 50-100M worldwide. Not good.
     
     So now you're getting the picture. Wait till you see the picture of all the geological hot zones of the US and the path of the eclipse.
     He works in my favorite chapter, Isaiah 18. I love it.
     
     So he's suggesting this solar eclipse of August 21, 2017 is a sign for America, that we are going to undergo a military reversal like Nineveh, we will have an earthquake like Nineveh, we will have a "plague and pestilence" like Nineveh.
     
     Great video. I have to agree Mike, this is one of the most informative I've ever seen. I love the way he educates with simplicity how the NWO is trying to control the world. I had never understood the deal about all the debt until now. Thank you for putting this video on here. If the best government is that which governs least, then the ideal government is the one which doesn't exist.    Quote     Like      Share                  oldmanmike   
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      Straight Jacket Time
    Straight Jacket Time        12 Aug 2017, 00:07 #357
     Thank you, T. I appreciate it. I don't get much time to post or reply these days. I heavily edited the typos and left-overs and run-ons out of the first part . I wrote that in a big hurry. Sadie I have to watch that sept 23rd video. "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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      Straight Jacket Time
    Straight Jacket Time        12 Aug 2017, 00:52 #358
     
    Sadie,Aug 11 2017 wrote: That was a really good video
     
     I was wrong above, I said 2020 but meant 2024
     as to the other eclipse.
     
     
     I was also wrong I thought he was also going to talk
     about Sept 23 but he did not.
     He has made a separate video all about it though.
     
     
    Whoa!
     Sept 23rd, If I heard that right, is when the Woman in REV 12, signified by the constellation Virgo, gives birth to the King - Jupiter exits Virgo.
     
     He said this constellation configuration has only happened once before - during the time of adam and eve.
     
     Jeremiah 30:6-7 says this is the start of the tribulation. Jacob;s trouble, and Jacob was troubled for 22 years, not 7. 22 is Israel's number he says.
     
     Isaiah 21:2-3 predicts that at this time (elam and media) will attack Iran. (I've read that over and over Isaiah 21 - I kinda thought of it as Isaiah's apocalypse)
     anyway elam and media is nowadays iran, I knew that - but I never once thought that the woman in labor would be a constellation.
     
     This man is a true prophet. Everything he tells you comes out of the Bible.
     
     (He expressed the opinion that during the Crucifixion, God darkened the sun for 3 hours from 12PM to 3PM using what the tinfoilers call Planet X or Niburu.) Man after my own heart.)
     
     Wow! "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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      Straight Jacket Time
    Straight Jacket Time        12 Aug 2017, 12:11 #359
     Here is a list of strange signs preceding the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD by Titus, and why the Jews paid no attention.
     =======
     List of strange signs preceding the Roman destruction of Jerusalem 70 AD
     
     Jesus preaching to his disciples:
     "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. Let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. For these are the days of vengeance, that all things that are written may be fulfilled." Luke 21:20"
     
     But was Luke in circulation before 70AD? Most commentators say no.
     
     The Jews didn't pay attention because they prayed for deliverance when Cestius surrounded the city with 50, 000 troops in September 66 AD to quell the Jewish rebellion at that time.
     
     From a blog:
     
     "When most of Judah was assembled in Jerusalem for one of their annual national feasts, the Feast of Tabernacles, a Roman General named Cestius surrounded the city. It looked like the Christians had missed their chance to heed Jesus's warning to flee. And inside, some prayed for deliverance by God, and others counselled surrendering to the Romans. But, certain news made it appear wise to Cestius to relocate to another area for a while, and as he left, the Jews supposed that God had given them their sign, and they sallied out to overtake Cestius and attack him. This they did with great success, killing a great many Romans and capturing even the storied 'standard' born by that legion. This would later cause them to be courageous in the belief that they should not surrender to the Romans when their city was again encircled."
     
     From Wikipedia:
     
     "Cestius Gallus succeeded in conquering Beit She'arim in the Lower Galilee, seat of the Great Sanhedrin (Jewish supreme religious court) in later times. With his force reduced by detachments sent to occupy Galilee and the Judean coast, Gallus turned inland to subdue Jerusalem. After suffering losses amongst his baggage train and rearguard, Gallus reached Mount Scopus and penetrated the outer city, but was apparently unable to take The Temple Mount.[1] After a siege of nine days, Gallus decided (for reasons which remain obscure) to fall back to the coast. His decision appears to have been based on the loss of siege equipment by ambush and the threatened cutting of his supply lines as the October rains began.[2]
     
     During Gallus's withdrawal his column was ambushed near Beth Horon, suffering very heavy losses. He only succeeded in making good his escape to Antipatris with the loss of about 6,000 men and a large amount of war material.[1] Judea was now almost entirely lost to Roman control.
     
     From the blog:
     But in the meantime, with the Romans withdrawn and their countrymen the Jews mostly gone out after them, the Christians fled out of the city. They did not join the battle, nor were they attacked as traitors for the simple reason that all the Jews were preoccupied, and few were left in the countryside because of the Feast of Tabernacles in Jerusalem, and because most country people had fled to the protection of the walled cities when the Romans came to make war. So the Christians fled east across the Jordan River to a city called Pella in an area then called Perea.
     
     edit to add, Eusebius says the Christians were warned in a vision:
     
     "The whole body, however, of the Church at Jerusalem, having been commanded by a divine revelation, given to men of approved piety there before the war, removed from the city, and dwelt at a certain town beyond the Jordan, called Pella."
     
     ===============================================
     Strange signs:
     
     1.http://www.bibleresearch.org/articles/a11pws.htm
     
     "The white stone had the words “For the Lord” written on it, and the black stone had the words “For Azazal” (the sacrificial goat).
     
     "The Babylonian Talmud shows that, for two hundred years before 30 A.D., the first stone to appear in the right hand of the high priest randomly fluctuated each year between the white and black stone. One would expect this type of randomness, because God selected the more perfect goat to be slain for the sins of the people. But, beginning with the Day of Atonement in 30 A.D. (the year of the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ), the black stone appeared in the right hand of the high priest for the next 39 years."
     
     2. On the Day of Atonement, a scarlet wool thread was placed on the door of the sanctuary. It was said that this thread turned white when the live goat was set free. But, beginning on the Day of Atonement in 30 A.D., this thread never turned white again. See Yoma 39b, Babylonian Talmud and pages 166, 170 Mishnah, by Danby.
     
     3. Shortly after the beginning of 63 A.D. and while Jerusalem was still a peaceful and thriving city, Jesus the son of Ananus began proclaiming and warning of the coming destruction to Jerusalem. For his continued effort to warn of the impending disaster (which lasted seven years and five months according to Josephus) he was ridiculed and beaten. He would cry, "Woe is Jerusalem!" Prior to being killed by a stone from one of Titus' siege engines, he cried "Woe is Jerusalem, and woe is me!"
     
     4. This next group of signs happened in 66AD during/following the Feast of Unleavened Bread. See 5, which I uncovered later. That's the biggie.
     
     A. During the Feast of Unleavened Bread in 66 A.D., Mar 20-21 at about 3 in the morning, a light as bright as daylight appeared around the altar for half an hour. Although some thought it was a good sign, the scribes understood it to be a precursor to the supernatural events that followed during the Feast:
     
     B. A heifer being led for sacrifice was said to have given birth to a lamb in the midst of the Temple.
     
     C. Around midnight, during the Feast, the huge eastern gate of the inner court of the temple, which was made of brass and normally took twenty men to shut, opened on its own. Josephus says that this was understood by knowledgeable men to mean that the Temple's protection had vanished and that the gate was opened for the benefit of their enemies. These enlightened men publicly declared that this sign foreshadowed the disaster that was coming on them (Wars IV,5,3).
     
     D. On the twenty first of the month of Iyar, just before sunset, chariots and soldiers in armor were seen running about in the clouds around the city.
     
     E. During the night portion of the day of Pentecost in 66 A.D., as the priests were entering the inner court of the Temple, they felt a quaking and heard a great noise and a sound like a great multitude of voices saying, "Let us remove hence".
     
     F. Jewish historical records state that the shekinah glory departed the Temple at that time and remained over the mount of olives for three and a half years, during which time, a voice could sometimes beheard coming from the mount pleading for the Jews to repent. See Midrash Lamentations 2:11.
     
     G. It is said that, just before the Roman's final siege of Jerusalem, that this light which appeared over the Mount of Olives disappeared into the heavens. If indeed the nation of Israel began its covenant relationship with the Creator God on the day of Pentecost at the foot of Mount Sinai,<edit it ended this relationship on the day of Pentecost in 66 AD.
     
     <edit to add>
     
     5. Josephus wrote in the Jewish Wars War 6:289
 (6.5.3.289) Thus there was a star resembling a sword, which stood over the city, and a comet, that continued a whole year.
     <edit to add>
     The comet appears to have been Halley's comet, which had a periodicity of 76 years, but that wasn't known until the 1600s. Many confuse the star and comet. They both appeared Passover 66 AD. Technically, Feast of unleavened bread, 8th of Nisan, Mar 20-21 66 AD.
     
     The comet could not have possibly been visible for a whole year. The star, on the other hand........ "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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      Creepy as Hell
    Creepy as Hell        12 Aug 2017, 15:10 #360
     Great post!
     
     Regarding the Rev 12 sign.
     
     I have read several people say that this guy Scott Clarke has
     done a lot of research about it.
     I am posting this but have to admit that I have not watched all of it
     because it is long. But, what I watched was good. Give it a watch when
     you have the time. Start about 9 minutes in.
     
     ETA: this vid might not be as good as it could be
     because the guy interviewing him gets hung up on "where
     is the birth canal on virgo" and keeps on and on about it.
     
     

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      Straight Jacket Time
    Straight Jacket Time        13 Aug 2017, 13:48 #361
     
    oldmanmike,Aug 12 2017 wrote:
    Sadie,Aug 11 2017 wrote: That was a really good video
     
     I was wrong above, I said 2020 but meant 2024
     as to the other eclipse.
     
     
     I was also wrong I thought he was also going to talk
     about Sept 23 but he did not.
     He has made a separate video all about it though.
     
     
    Whoa!
     Sept 23rd, If I heard that right, is when the Woman in REV 12, signified by the constellation Virgo, gives birth to the King - Jupiter exits Virgo.
     
     He said this constellation configuration has only happened once before - during the time of adam and eve.
     
     Jeremiah 30:6-7 says this is the start of the tribulation. Jacob;s trouble, and Jacob was troubled for 22 years, not 7. 22 is Israel's number he says.
     
     Isaiah 21:2-3 predicts that at this time (elam and media) will attack Iran. (I've read that over and over Isaiah 21 - I kinda thought of it as Isaiah's apocalypse)
     anyway elam and media is nowadays iran, I knew that - but I never once thought that the woman in labor would be a constellation.
     
     This man is a true prophet. Everything he tells you comes out of the Bible.
     
     (He expressed the opinion that during the Crucifixion, God darkened the sun for 3 hours from 12PM to 3PM using what the tinfoilers call Planet X or Niburu.) Man after my own heart.)
     
     Wow!
    Sadie, this is simply the greatest prophecy video you ever posted. On Facebook, I have 6 shares. Those people have shares. This morning Ricky, who stays away from prophecy, said he had people coming up to him telling him about this video with a preacher in Australia who looks like an Oriental. "Oh yeah, that's the one Mike told me about Friday." Ricky stays away because he doesn't know enough about it.
     
     I take heart from the Jerusalem signs because Jesus warned his followers in a private vision as detailed by Eusebius to get out of Dodge.
     
     Imagine if you will, 1.1 million people penned up in Old Jerusalem with no food. That's why the horrors took place. And it wasn't the Romans who destroyed Jerusalem. In retrospect, it was the Jews. It was a Civil War, they had divided themselves up into 3 camps, then 2, between the 2, they destroyed the city - The Romans just finished the job.
     
     Then I had this guy corner me and ask, how do you know all this stuff? I says I don't but I know where to look. Then I gave him a list of books that I read in order that I read them, and where find out about them
     
     Wikipedia will tell you about Josephus, Eusebius, and Gallus Cestius. Eusebius will tell you about the early Church fathers - then you find them - Jerome will give you all the Greek and Roman historians and you can read them and what they wrote. Then read Jerome's commentaries.
     
     Then you read Enoch, Jasher, and Jublilees, all referenced in different Bibles.
     
     Then you find a Catholic Bible and read Maccabees 1 and 2, which tell you about Antiochus lV Epiphanes in great detail.
     
     You read. On the job training. "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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      Night Owl
    Night Owl        13 Aug 2017, 14:03 #362
     
    oldmanmike,Aug 13 2017 wrote:
    oldmanmike,Aug 12 2017 wrote:
    Sadie,Aug 11 2017 wrote: That was a really good video
     
     I was wrong above, I said 2020 but meant 2024
     as to the other eclipse.
     
     
     I was also wrong I thought he was also going to talk
     about Sept 23 but he did not.
     He has made a separate video all about it though.
     
     
    Whoa!
     Sept 23rd, If I heard that right, is when the Woman in REV 12, signified by the constellation Virgo, gives birth to the King - Jupiter exits Virgo.
     
     He said this constellation configuration has only happened once before - during the time of adam and eve.
     
     Jeremiah 30:6-7 says this is the start of the tribulation. Jacob;s trouble, and Jacob was troubled for 22 years, not 7. 22 is Israel's number he says.
     
     Isaiah 21:2-3 predicts that at this time (elam and media) will attack Iran. (I've read that over and over Isaiah 21 - I kinda thought of it as Isaiah's apocalypse)
     anyway elam and media is nowadays iran, I knew that - but I never once thought that the woman in labor would be a constellation.
     
     This man is a true prophet. Everything he tells you comes out of the Bible.
     
     (He expressed the opinion that during the Crucifixion, God darkened the sun for 3 hours from 12PM to 3PM using what the tinfoilers call Planet X or Niburu.) Man after my own heart.)
     
     Wow!
    Sadie, this is simply the greatest prophecy video you ever posted. On Facebook, I have 6 shares. Those people have shares. This morning Ricky, who stays away from prophecy, said he had people coming up to him telling him about this video with a preacher in Australia who looks like an Oriental. "Oh yeah, that's the one Mike told me about Friday." Ricky stays away because he doesn't know enough about it.
     
     I take heart from the Jerusalem signs because Jesus warned his followers in a private vision as detailed by Eusebius to get out of Dodge.
     
     Imagine if you will, 1.1 million people penned up in Old Jerusalem with no food. That's why the horrors took place. And it wasn't the Romans who destroyed Jerusalem. In retrospect, it was the Jews. It was a Civil War, they had divided themselves up into 3 camps, then 2, between the 2, they destroyed the city - The Romans just finished the job.
     
     Then I had this guy corner me and ask, how do you know all this stuff? I says I don't but I know where to look. Then I gave him a list of books that I read in order that I read them, and where find out about them
     
     Wikipedia will tell you about Josephus, Eusebius, and Gallus Cestius. Eusebius will tell you about the early Church fathers - then you find them - Jerome will give you all the Greek and Roman historians and you can read them and what they wrote. Then read Jerome's commentaries.
     
     Then you read Enoch, Jasher, and Jublilees, all referenced in different Bibles.
     
     Then you find a Catholic Bible and read Maccabees 1 and 2, which tell you about Antiochus lV Epiphanes in great detail.
     
     You read. On the job training.
    Mike, in Matthew 24:16, Jesus tells his people to flee into the mountains.
     
     There are these books called, The Researchers guide to ancient text. They come in three volumes, THE APOCRYPHA,THE APOSTOLIC FATHERS,THE SEPTUAGINT. They might be a good buy for those who don't want to spend a lot of money on each separate book.
     
     Amazon "If your opponent is quick to anger, seek to irritate him"--Sun Tzu
     
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      Night Owl
    Night Owl        13 Aug 2017, 16:57 #363
     [YOUTUBE][/YOUTUBE] "If your opponent is quick to anger, seek to irritate him"--Sun Tzu
     
     A bird doesn't sing because it has an answer, it sings because it has a song.    Quote     Like      Share                  TfromTexas   
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    Could be lost        14 Aug 2017, 10:48 #364
     I don't know if any of you have watched the video on Planet X by Steve Cioccolanti & Discover Ministries, but you are in for a treat. His educated & common sense approach to it all will blow your mind. He brings to light things never even mentioned on this forum before, or anyplace else that I've ever seen.
     The title is Planet X, Meteors & the End of America?
     
     Go watch it now!
     But I'll warn you, the last part is kind of scary.
     It involves the Americas.
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      Creepy as Hell
    Creepy as Hell        14 Aug 2017, 18:48 #365
     
    TfromTexas,Aug 14 2017 wrote: I don't know if any of you have watched the video on Planet X by Steve Cioccolanti & Discover Ministries, but you are in for a treat. His educated & common sense approach to it all will blow your mind. He brings to light things never even mentioned on this forum before, or anyplace else that I've ever seen.
     The title is Planet X, Meteors & the End of America?
     
     Go watch it now!
     But I'll warn you, the last part is kind of scary.
     It involves the Americas.
    Thanks, T.
     I don't have time to watch it now but I am posting it for later.
     
     
     
     
     check this out.
     
     CLAIM: TRUMP'S REAL ENEMY IS NOT OF THIS WORLD
     Pastor warns: 'It's spiritual and it's demonic'
     Published: 7 days ago
     
     Since Donald Trump became the 45th president of the United States, the American left seems to have lost its mind.
     
     Violent protests in the streets and attacks on Trump supporters.
     
     The attempted assassination of a Republican congressman.
     
     Threats to murder the president, including calls by well-known left-wing activists for “jihad” and gory depictions of Trump’s severed head.
     
     Conspiracy theories about Russian plots.
     
     And hysterical rhetoric about a “resistance” dedicated to overthrowing the duly elected commander in chief.
     
     The bottom line is Trump is facing not merely conventional political opposition.
     
     One talk-show host, former law-enforcement officer and current pastor believes President Trump is facing nothing less than full-fledged spiritual warfare. Pastor Carl Gallups was one of President Trump’s earliest and most vocal Christian backers. And he contends the opposition to Trump is demonic.
     
     In his new book “When the Lion Roars,” Gallups analyzes the signs of the times, showing how harbingers of the last days can be seen in the daily headlines. And in recent media appearances, he’s contending the depraved opposition to the president was predicted in the Scriptures.
     
     “The Bible speaks in the last days of being given over to a depraved mind, of truth being thrown to the ground, eventually there will come the man of lawlessness, who the world will gather around and say … this man is like God,” the pastor recently said on “The Jim Bakker Show.” “There will be a generation like us that sees that, I don’t know if it’s us, but this is what I’m saying, it’s complex. This is what’s happening before our eyes … truth has been turned upside-down.”
     
     Gallups suggested the country itself is under demonic attack.
     
     “We are in the throes of an attempted takeover of this nation,” he claimed. “And it’s been a long time coming. We are the largest Christian nation the planet has ever seen. With all of its evil, we’re the best there is. And that’s it. Satan hates us; we’re his target. The globalists hate us because, in order for the Antichrist to come to power, America has to somehow go away. The constitutional republic, the national sovereignty, the military might and the economic engine has to go away or the globalists can’t seize control. We’re watching all of that in action.
     
     “It’s spiritual and it’s demonic,” the pastor said.
     
     more
     http://www.wnd.com/2017/08/claim-trumps ... his-world/
     
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    Straight Jacket Time        15 Aug 2017, 00:24 #366
     It's obvious that his astronomer buddy is wrong, because he predicted a Planet X fly by Passover 2016. Didn't happen.
     
     Annnnnnnd, Joshua's long day (true it was recorded in China as a short day (btw in the Americas as the long night or sun stuck on the horizon) Velikovsky claimed it was caused by the comet Venus and I go with Velikovsky.
     
     However, I didn't know that the max darkness cause by moon's eclipse of the sun was 7 minutes 32 seconds - at Jesus' crucifixion, it was dark for 3 hours which could have been caused by a planet passing between us and the sun.
     
     There are paintings in South America of a planet filling the horizon.
     
     There';s a fascination theory of gravitation unevenness caused by land density caused by an impact strike in the Gulf of Mexico causing an impact wave that pushed up the Himalayas.
     
     Interestimg that the Americas make up 1/3 of the landmass of the world and the other half of the world is the other 2/3rds - Eurasia, Australia, Africa - this comes into play during Revelation.
     
     He thinks we (Christians) go through most of the trib except the last bowl judgments, when the rapture occurs.
     
     Interesting interesting. "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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      Creepy as Hell
    Creepy as Hell        16 Aug 2017, 21:43 #367
     The August 21, 2017 Eclipse – 33+ Fascinating Facts
     What a time to be alive! The August 21, 2017 total solar eclipse is fast approaching and while it may or may not hold Biblical level significance – let’s take a look at the facts so you can decide for yourself. After reading, take the matter to prayer before God Almighty and ask for discernment.
     
     Just remember, there are no coincidences – The Father has written the end from the beginning down to every detail. There are no chances, only “it is written”…
     
     The eclipse of August 21, 2017 may come and go like other signs in the past – but consider for a moment what the world stage is facing with every passing day and the frequency of the signs we are getting.
     
     An eclipse is clearly a sign that only God controls and He knows this. Man nor Satan can mess with signs in the sun, moon, or stars. God has full control and has stated that these would be used as signs, and eclipses have been used in the past for special occasions so that we have all reason to know that signs in the Heavens will continue to be a signal of things to come.
     
     And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years; Genesis 1:14
     
     And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; – Luke 21:25
     
     And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord GOD, that I will cause the sun to go down at noon, and I will darken the earth in the clear day; Amos 8:9
     That said, let’s go through with a list of facts about past eclipses and add it to the August 21, 2017 eclipse facts in a thought provoking way.
     
     This eclipse even by the world’s standards is being set as “The Great American Eclipse” because of how unique it is. Yes, plenty of partial and solar eclipses happened in the past, but what makes this one different?
     
     1. MOST total eclipses falls over water or unpopulated areas of the planet, so an eclipse that is visible is rare in itself. The August 21 eclipse will be the first total solar eclipse whose path of totality stays completely in the United States since 1776 according the Space.com Total Solar Eclipse 2017 guide.
     
     What else happened in 1776? Oh, so a total solar eclipse that affects only the United States, a gentile nation, since the founding of it? Note taken.
     
     2. EVERYONE in the continental U.S. has the opportunity to at least a partial eclipse. This eclipse will be the most viewed ever.
     
     3. A solar eclipse is a lineup of the Sun, the Moon, and Earth and a solar eclipse happens only at a New Moon and solar eclipses don’t happen at every New Moon. More rare upon rare.
     
     4. First contact is in the state of Oregon, the 33rd state in the USA. The last contact is in South Carolina on the 33rd parallel. This eclipse happens on day 233 of the year. If the Revelation 12 sign is valid, then the eclipse is also 33 days before September 23, 2017. Jesus is thought to have been 33 when He died.
     
     5. Just for fun: It is 99 years (3 x 33) since the last eclipse to go coast-to-coast in the US, in 1918. From September 23, 2017 (Revelation 12 sign) to the end of the year, December 31, 2017 is 99 days (or 3 x 33). The number of days from the 1918 eclipse to the August 21 eclipse are 26,234 days. (2+6+2+3+4 = 17; 2017?). From August 12, 2017, the date of the Charlottesville Virginia “State of Emergency” declared to the August 21, 2017 Great Solar Eclipse is 9 days (3+3+3) and the dates are also mirrored – 12 and 21.
     
     33 has a special relation to earthquakes because the Richter Scale uses the number 33. Each whole number that goes higher on the scale is 33 times more intense than the whole number below it. (Keep this in mind for a special treat below!)
     
     6. First big city the eclipse hits in Oregon is Salem – Salem was named after Jerusalem. The eclipse also begins in Oregon exactly at sunset time in Jerusalem. So technically speaking, as the sun sets in American it will be setting in Jerusalem at the same time.
     
     7. The center line crosses through 12 primary states to receive total darkness. 12 disciples, 12 months in a year, the meaning of 12, which is considered a perfect number, is that it symbolizes God’s power and authority, as well as serving as a perfect governmental foundation. (Remember the 1776 thing?)
     
     8. The eclipse path is exactly 70 miles wide. 70 has a sacred meaning in the Bible that has two perfect numbers, 7 that represents perfection and 10 that represents completeness and God’s law. 70 also symbolizes perfect spiritual order and a period of judgment. 70 is also specially connected with Jerusalem with so many references it would take a book to write.
     
     9. When Jesus died, there was an eclipse? and a earthquake. “It was now about noon, and darkness came over the whole land until three in the afternoon” – Luke 23:44-45 / “Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.” – Matthew 27:54.
     
     10. Donald Trump was born on an eclipse.
     
     11. The path of the August 21, 2017 eclipse crosses every major earthquake fault line. (Remember that note above above 33 in the Richter scale?) On August 23, 2017 there is a FEMA exercise known as “EarthEX2017” scheduled that will simulate “catastrophes such as mega earthquakes, cyber terrorism or high altitude electromagnetic pulse attacks”
     
     12. Another eclipse comes in 2024, 7 years after the August 21, 2017 and marks an X over the United States. The combined time of totality of these eclipses together will be 7 minutes. The day of the eclipse is August 21, 2017 – (7 + 7 + 7 = 21). The exact point where the two eclipses cross is right next to Cedar Lake in Illinois… specifically right next to SALEM Road. (Salem again!)
     
     
     
     13. The region in southern where the X marks in Illinois is called “Little Egypt”. The exact point where the two paths cross is in the town of Makanda, which used to be called the “Star of Egypt”.
     
     14. The last time we had a full eclipse in 1918 – it was accompanied by pandemic and war. Flu crisis of 1918, millions died and the US was involved in World War 1. Now as we face the next eclipse, we have a Opioid crisis and World War 3?
     
     15. During the plagues of Egypt, the land was covered in darkness. Exodus 10:21-23 tells us, “Then the Lord said to Moses, “Lift your hand toward heaven, and the land of Egypt will be covered with a darkness so thick you can feel it.” So Moses lifted his hand to the sky, and a deep darkness covered the entire land of Egypt for three days.
     
     16. The sun is 400 times bigger, and just so happens to be 400 times farther away from the earth. The original form of the Hebrew letter Tav is like the English letter X or T – which is in the shape of a cross, or X– like the X that is made by the two solar eclipses on the cross paths over 7 years. The letter Tav means “a sign”.
     
     17. The path of the eclipse will be situated in such a way that every single state of the US will experience it, even Hawaii and Alaska.
     
     18. The totality will reach Oregon at 10:16 AM Pacific, and will end in South Carolina at 2:49 PM Eastern. That means it will take 1 hour and 33 minutes to cross the country. There is that 33 again.
     
     19. Eclipses never repeat in the exact same spot.
     
     20. Right before full totality of the eclipse, the last light glimpse from the sun will form a diamond ring in the sky. Marriage anyone?
     
     21. Based on past eclipses, people report feeling a profound sense of awe during and after a total solar eclipse and other “different” things.
     
     22. Only Earth can experience a total solar eclipse.
     
     23. Big difference between a partial eclipse and full eclipse. The sun’s light that makes the difference between a 99.9% partial and 100% total is significant. Only during a 100% eclipse is the solar corona visible. August 21, 2017 is a 100% experience.
     
     24. The August 21, 2017 eclipse also cuts through every major occult symbol in the United States like the Georgia Guidestones, St. Louis Gateway Arches, and the founding state of the masons to name a few.
     
     25. This eclipse will be the only known eclipse in history to have the longest and most uninterrupted track across a single land mass.
     
     26. A partial lunar eclipse took place on August 7, 2017, in the same eclipse season. It was visible over eastern Europe, Africa, Asia, and Australia. From August 7, 2017 to August 21, 2017 was 14 days, an average division of 7.
     
     27. This solar eclipse is a part of Saros cycle 145 which contains 77 events. The series ends at member 77 as a partial eclipse on April 17, 3009.
     
     28. No matter what you feel about it, these things are documented to happen during an full eclipse: stars come out, the horizon glows with a 360-degree sunset, temperature drops significantly, and well, day turns into night obviously.
     
     29. Due to the mass “Exodus” of people that are expected to view this eclipse, a figure only accounted in the “millions” will be skipping work and school to view this event in the path of totality.
     
     30. While you may not be preparing for it, others are. This eclipse is causing states, cities, and townships to declare an official state of emergency due to likely accidents, large crowds, increase in violence, and occultist rituals to take place.
     
     31. The longest known total solar eclipse lasted about 7 minutes.
     
     32. The U.S. mainland has averaged about 7 total solar eclipses per century since 2000 B.C. So the rarity of the August 21, 2017 solar eclipse is not only considered a once in a lifetime event, it will be a once in about 7 lifetimes event.
     
     33. And while more than 33 facts have been crammed in this post, let us end on this last one:
     
     The eclipse is also exactly 40 days from Yom Kippur. Yom Kippur means “Day of Atonement” and is a time of repentance. While the eclipse day itself may come and go with everything remaining “normal” afterwards, we need to be focused on what could be coming soon after.
     
     Is the US being warned to repent? 40 days were given in the Sign of Jonah, when the eclipse overtook Nineveh. But then again, bad things were starting to happen just prior to the eclipse over Nineveh too. Be ready now and at all times, repent and draw close to the Father.
     
     For more on this eclipse and how it relates to your future, viewing the following videos are highly recommended! There is so much more than these 33 facts (well, more ? included here. Truly amazing!
     
     Sadie Note: I haven't watched the vid but you can see it at the link
     https://countdownreport.wordpress.com/2 ... -33-facts/
     
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    Creepy as Hell        17 Aug 2017, 17:34 #368
     Rick Wiles Warning: The Alarms Are Ringing Again
     TRUNEWS
     
     The message starts around 24 minutes in.
     The transcript of it is below but there is more about
     it on the video
     
     
     
     
     In 1998, a very unusual series of events resulted in Rick meeting a wonderful Christian lady named Leah Mandell at a conference. Three years later, Leah made a very strange phone call to Rick on August 11th, 2001, which was precisely one month before the 9/11 attacks. When Rick answered his phone, Leah began telling him that “the alarms are ringing”…
     
     She said, “Rick, something very odd is happening today. Alarm bells, everywhere I go today there are alarms ringing, car alarms, burglar alarms, fire alarms, even oven alarms, every place I go, I hear alarms ringing. What’s really strange is people are having trouble turning the alarms off. I go into stores, the alarm is ringing. I go into an office, the alarm is ringing. And they can’t get the things to turn off. The Lord told me, ‘Call Rick Wiles and tell him, “The alarms are ringing, and this time, they will not be turned off.”’”
     
     The moment she said that, Rick’s seatbelt alarm started ringing even though his seatbelt was fastened.
     
     One month later was September 11, 2001.
     
     Exactly 16 years later, on August 11th, 2017, Leah called Rick again. She called to tell him that “the alarms are ringing” again and that she was seeing dead birds fall out of the sky everywhere…
     
     Three days ago on August 11 2017, Rick was driving to his church when suddenly a dead bird fell from the sky and smashed into his windshield. The bird did not fly into his path, but fell out of the sky like it was already dead. Then he received a phone call from Leah Mandell saying, “Rick, the alarms are ringing. Everywhere I go today, alarms are ringing. And there’s something else, dead birds. I’m seeing dead birds. It seems like everywhere I go, there’s a dead bird.”
     
     Then he realized the date was August 11, the same date when Leah had called him sixteen years earlier with a similar warning.
     
     You can dismiss this if you want, but how are you going to explain away what happened 16 years ago?
     
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    Night Owl        17 Aug 2017, 21:51 #369
     If she is hearing the alarms going off, we should pay attention. "If your opponent is quick to anger, seek to irritate him"--Sun Tzu
     
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    Creepy as Hell        17 Aug 2017, 22:39 #370
     
    Rogue of the celestial night,Aug 17 2017 wrote: If she is hearing the alarms going off, we should pay attention.
    As I said earlier, I am getting an uneasy feeling that something
     terrible is going to happen soon. But, that could be all the
     craziness going on and being upset about it.
     
     Did you listen to the video. I can confirm that when they
     were talking about the different alarms and he mentioned
     that when he appeared on the JB show that the studio alarms
     were going off and it was mentioned on the show because
     I watched that show and remember it.
     

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      Creepy as Hell
    Creepy as Hell        18 Aug 2017, 15:44 #371
     What is your thoughts about the dead birds?
     
     My first thought was of nuclear fallout.
     
     Also, did y'all listen long enough to hear what he was
     saying about yellowstone?
     
     
     
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    Night Owl        18 Aug 2017, 23:23 #372
     
    Sadie,Aug 18 2017 wrote: What is your thoughts about the dead birds?
     
     My first thought was of nuclear fallout.
     
     Also, did y'all listen long enough to hear what he was
     saying about yellowstone?
    I listened to it all, and as for the dead bird, that could mean anything from EMP strike which would crash every plane in the sky, to some kind of disaster that would kill the birds off first. Yellowstone has been on the front burners for awhile, and with a super volcano it only makes sense it would have more than one opening. "If your opponent is quick to anger, seek to irritate him"--Sun Tzu
     
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    Straight Jacket Time        29 Aug 2017, 23:20 #373
     
    Sadie,Jun 26 2016 wrote:
    oldmanmike,Jun 26 2016 wrote: I've posted this before, in the old prophecy thread.
     It bears repeating.
     This rabbi in the 13th century, said the Turks would rule Israel for 400 years starting 1517, true, the 50 years of a no man's land, true, then 50 more years before Jesus comes. He counted his years from Rosh Hashanah. That means Oct 2016.
     My wife is convinced Jesus will come on Rosh Hashanah, the Feast of Trumpets, because "when the trump sounds....."
     
    http://destination-yisrael.biblesearchers....he-messiah.html I read that at a few other places too.
     
     Oh, my, this is so exciting!
     
     Mike, is this the Rabbi?
     This article was from 2012
     
     snip>>
     There is still time for the Messiah the Prince, the anti-Messiah to forge a covenant with the “Holy Ones” of the rabbanim of Jerusalem for a seven year hudna, for the biblical text in Daniel clearly states that it will be abrogated by the anti-Messiah within 3½ years.
     
     Can we look forward to a Middle East Peace Accord by Passover 2013? If so, 3½ years later, will be see the revealing of the Maschiach ben Dovid before Rosh Hashanah 2016 (Jewish year 5777 between Rosh Hashanahs 5776-7)?
     
     If so, the Epic Year of the Messiah will be here on Rosh Hashanah 2016 or the Jewish year of 5000 plus 777 years. The age of the Enlightenment of the Torah will have begun. The forces of evil will have been destroyed and the Kingdom of G-d on Planet Earth will begin with the Maschiach ben Dovid ruling with the “rod of iron.
     
     http://destination-yisrael.biblesearchers....he-messiah.html I was reading the old pages and this is one you can throw out. "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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    Straight Jacket Time        29 Aug 2017, 23:37 #374
     I'm getting frustrated I don't have the time to spend here like I used to.
     
     The voice I've learned to listen to told me to study Revelation "because the time is short." I found a couple of interesting things so far - not prophecy - but observations.
     
     Satan is Hebrew for "The Accuser."
     
     In the 7 cities portion of Revelation, The Lord says he'll spit the lukewarm Christians of Laodocia out of his mouth. The Greek says "vomit". Much stronger.
     
     Cities 1-5 The Lord has a bone to pick with each one of them about different things; clean up your act, he says.
     
     City 6 is Philadelphia, of which he has no complaint, only encouragement;
     
     City 7 is Laodocea, whom he condemns in the strongest terms. It was interesting to me that he saved the opposites for last.
     
     When the apostles asked the Lord, "Shouldn't Elijah come first" The Lord answered, "Elijah has already come."
     
     From John Chrysotom's commentary, the reason the apostles asked was, the scribes were going around saying Elijah had to come before the Messiah like scripture said, so since Elijah hadn't showed up, Jesus couldn't possibly be the Messiah.
     
     But when Jesus told the apostles that Elijah had already come first, they realized that he meant that he was talking about John the Baptist, who prophesied in the spirit of Elijah.
     
     The circumstances surrounding John the Baptist's birth were so astounding that everyone in Galilee knew the story, He was famous when he was a baby. "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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    Night Owl        30 Aug 2017, 07:44 #375
     I have been wanting to study Revelations, but when I start, 50 things interrupt and I never get back to it, then when I do, I have to start over. "If your opponent is quick to anger, seek to irritate him"--Sun Tzu
     
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    Straight Jacket Time        01 Sep 2017, 11:10 #376
     I was reading the ESV introduction last night and they made these points about the differences among the OT prophets, 200 BC to 200AD apocalypses, and John's Apocalypse.
     
     The old prophets prophesied destruction with a call for repentance and salvation. Their pronouncements were delivered orally and only written down later on. The Jewish recent apocalypses (Ezra IV, Moses, Baruch, etc.) were written from the get-go by authors pretending to be Old Testament figures. They divided their audience into two: salvation for the righteous remnant, and destruction for their persecutors. John's Apocalypse identifies himself. It presents a balanced message of comfort for the believers, warnings for the unsaved, and destruction for the unrepentant.
     
     I like this overview because it documents the different types of literary devices, giving me discernment about what I'm reading.
     =============
     
     Study Bible opinions I've formed lately.
     
     I like the ESV study Bible because in its footnotes and introductions, it gives a totally unbiased complete presentation of different arguments - sometimes I find this annoying, but. It is on the dry side.
     
     THe Scofield study Bibles tackle subjects the others don't, like enumerating the different judgments, (I count 6, he counts 8). Scofield was a devout saved believer, I think. He was convinced of a pre-tribulation rapture, and that is reflected in his footnotes throughout the Old and New Testament.
     
     The Catholic NAB (New American Bible) printed in the late 70s early 80s is a great study Bible because:
     1) it gives you the Catholic perspective on things;
     2) the footnotes are sprinkled with nuggets of information that only a Catholic researcher with Vatican resources could find;
     3) Sometimes they give the Greek meaning;
     4) There's a pretty interesting history of the English language Bibles in back. It's their opinion that the original Catholic Bible (Douay) followed the Wycliff translation while the Protestants followed Tyndale's translation. (I was shocked to read that.)
     
     I despise the Catholic NAB Bible because it casts doubt on the authenticity of Daniel and the three synoptic gospels. Come on! Jesus quoted Daniel. The committee who wrote the introductions and footnotes were comprised of unbelieving Bible textual critics. "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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     I have been reading out of the NIV and the NRS. I don't think I have an ESV, will have to go look, but I really don't think I have a copy. I can pick up one if I don't...
     
     I also have explanatory notes and commentary on Revelation, from John Wesley and Matthew Henry's commentary. I have the Apocalypse of John, but I haven't cracked the book yet.
     
     I have finished the first chapter, and starting the second. "If your opponent is quick to anger, seek to irritate him"--Sun Tzu
     
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    Straight Jacket Time        02 Sep 2017, 00:42 #378
     
    Rogue of the celestial night,Sep 1 2017 wrote: I have been reading out of the NIV and the NRS. I don't think I have an ESV, will have to go look, but I really don't think I have a copy. I can pick up one if I don't...
     
     I also have explanatory notes and commentary on Revelation, from John Wesley and Matthew Henry's commentary. I have the Apocalypse of John, but I haven't cracked the book yet.
     
     I have finished the first chapter, and starting the second.
    The ESV study bible is expensive and heavy, Rogue, my wife got mine for me for a birthday gift one year - this is the first time I've used it to really study a subject. Nahhhh I can't say that - I studied Daniel when I was doing Daniel for the church.
     
     
     ===============
     Tonight the light dawned on me when looking at Revelation the start of the 7 seals. The seven seals are an overview of the tribulation. I have read commentaries where they say the seals, trumpets and bowls are consecutive judgments. Not so.
     
     Revelation 5:1 Then I saw in the right hand of him who sat on the throne a scroll with writing on both sides and sealed with seven seals.
     
     The ESV footnote on that verse likened the scroll to a Roman contract will. On the outside was written a summary. On the inside was written the details and conditions of how the will was to be executed.
     
     I was like, AHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Sooooooooooooooooo!!!! "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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    Straight Jacket Time        02 Sep 2017, 00:59 #379
     This means I have to make up a chart and do a top down from the seals to the other judgments as to where I think they should go.
     ===========
     
     The seven thunders - the NAB Catholic Bible referenced that phrase to the seven voices of God in Psalms - Psalm 29.
     
     1 Ascribe to the Lord, O heavenly beings,a
     ascribe to the Lord glory and strength.
     2 Ascribe to the Lord the glory due his name;
     worship the Lord in the splendor of holiness.b
     
     3 The voice of the Lord is over the waters;
     the God of glory thunders,
     the Lord, over many waters.
     4 The voice of the Lord is powerful;
     the voice of the Lord is full of majesty.
     
     5 The voice of the Lord breaks the cedars;
     the Lord breaks the cedars of Lebanon.
     6 He makes Lebanon to skip like a calf,
     and Sirion like a young wild ox.
     
     7 The voice of the Lord flashes forth flames of fire.
     8 The voice of the Lord shakes the wilderness;
     the Lord shakes the wilderness of Kadesh.
     
     9 The voice of the Lord makes the deer give birthc
     and strips the forests bare,
     and in his temple all cry, “Glory!”
     
     10 The Lord sits enthroned over the flood;
     the Lord sits enthroned as king forever.
     11 May the Lord give strength to his people!
     May the Lord blessd his people with peace!
     
     But John was told to seal up the words of the seven thunders. I just thought that was interesting.
     
     I saw in Hebrews tonight at our Bible study
     
     Hebrews 12:26
     
     26 At that time (before Psalms was written - omm), His voice shook the earth, but now He has promised, “Once more I will shake not only the earth, but heaven as well.”… "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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    Straight Jacket Time        02 Sep 2017, 01:02 #380
     Rogue and others, Revelations promises special blessings to those who read aloud and study this book. "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"

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    Creepy as Hell        04 Sep 2017, 20:58 #381
     Thanks, Mike.
     
     
     
     I guess I had better get busy!
     
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    Straight Jacket Time        05 Sep 2017, 19:26 #382
     Before I forget, I was reading about the beasts and their activities last night and thinking about it all as I drifted off to sleep.
     
     In this day and age of instant world-wide news, Facebook, artificial intelligence, morphing photography, Photoshop, robotics, and the manufacture of holograms, it doesn't take a long leap of the imagination to think of a talking 30 foot statue blaspheming the Lord, outlandish "miracles", causing "fire to rain down from the sky", a healing from a deadly wound.
     
     When a company experiments with chipping their employees so they can enter and leave the building and clock in and out, the mandatory mark of the beast if you want to work is not too far behind.
     
     The mark of the beast is a concept the early Christians were quite familiar with. The had to sign pledges to Caesar, worship the emperor in order to keep their lives.
     
     I think the beast is a world political/economic system, not necessarily a country or an anti-Christ emperor heading up a one-world government. The anti-Christ and 2nd beast may be outgrowths representing the system, however.
     
     =======
     This is an awesome story.
     
     After I read this, I can date Revelation to a five year period - 92 AD to 97 AD.
     I was looking up Pergamum, one of the 7 cities and came across this story here where the bishop Antipas of Pergamum mentioned in Revelation 3 was burned to death in 92 AD. Wow. Great story.
     John was exiled to Patmos in 82 AD by Domitian. Nerve let him out in 97.
     http://www1.cbn.com/700club/seat-satan-ancient-pergamum "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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    Straight Jacket Time        06 Sep 2017, 00:16 #383
     
    oldmanmike,Sep 2 2017 wrote:
     
     ===============
     Tonight the light dawned on me when looking at Revelation the start of the 7 seals. The seven seals are an overview of the tribulation. I have read commentaries where they say the seals, trumpets and bowls are consecutive judgments. Not so.
     
     Revelation 5:1 Then I saw in the right hand of him who sat on the throne a scroll with writing on both sides and sealed with seven seals.
     
     The ESV footnote on that verse likened the scroll to a Roman contract will. On the outside was written a summary. On the inside was written the details and conditions of how the will was to be executed.
     
     I was like, AHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Sooooooooooooooooo!!!!
    To modify that, I find that the 7th bowl is an expansion of the 7th trumpet which is an expansion of the 7th seal.
     
     People aren't going to want to hear this, but if you're looking for a pre-tribulation rapture, you won't find it in Revelation. I have to call this as I see it. Up to a month ago, I believed in a pre-trib rapture. Now I'm not so sure. "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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    Creepy as Hell        08 Sep 2017, 01:10 #384
     But, is there a written law that it has to be there?
     
     There are other places in the scriptures that I believe
     relate to a pre trib rapture so I am not dismayed.
     
     
     Mike, remember when we talked about the eclipse perhaps
     being a harbinger?and
     
     Since the eclipse, we had Harvey now the monster that is Irma
     and Jose behind her. Plus there have been 3 X class flares in
     2 days and just now a 8.0 EQ off the coast of Mexico.
     
     Oh, and the massive wildfires.
     
     Do you think these events are related?
     
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    Straight Jacket Time        09 Sep 2017, 23:06 #385
     True Sadie true.
     
     I spent a long time looking for my summation on current events - I believe it's all a part of Matthew 24 - The draughts, the Sierra snow pack last winter, the solar eclipse followed by fires, hurricanes, tornadoes, red tongue over Brazil, earthquake in Mexico, hell yes God is pissed.
     
     I don't think we can rebuild Florida. We just don't have the money.
     https://apnews.com/b0860812593744c588dd ... -of-nature
     
     You might want to repost your 3 disasters in a row Sadie I think I have it saved someplace. "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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    Straight Jacket Time        11 Sep 2017, 00:45 #386
     Luke 21:25 - There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea.
     
     Red letter.
     
     Preacher Ricky pointed this out to me today
     
     Aug 17th, red cloud over Brazil. Accuweather video.
     Aug 21 was there not a coast to coast total solar eclipse?
     Aug 26-Sept 1 - Hurricane Harvey
     Sept 2 - LA wildfire
     Sept 8 - Mexican earthquake
     Sept 2-10 Western wildfires
     Sept 10 - 13 Hurricane Irma
     
     In my 75 years I've never seen a sequence like this. Superlatives were used to describe Irma and Harvey. :windy:
     
     :damned: "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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    Straight Jacket Time        11 Sep 2017, 12:21 #387
     It's been 5 years or so since I've last studied this subject at length. There things I'd forgotten, things I needed to be reminded of, and things that I thought were true that just weren't so.
     
     Anyway I had questions. Why was the great tribulation called Jecob's Trouble, and if it was Jacob's Trouble, then why would it last seven years (or so), when Jacob's trouble lasted 20 years - before he got fed up with Laban and left? And Jacob wouldn't have had no trouble in the first place if Esau hadn't ripped his dowry of gold and silver off, as detailed in the Book of Jasher.
     
     1. God named Jacob Israel - Genesis 35:10. Jacob is another name for Israel throughout the Bible, determined by context.
     2. Jacob's trouble, the Great Tribulation (like never before), the Day of the Lord are all synonymous, overlapping times. They are not separate instances. They all start the final three and one-half years of Daniel's 70th week. This is why one studies Daniel before studying Revelation. The seals, trumpets, and bowl judgments of Revelation may take seven years or three and one-half years, no one knows for sure, a lot of people have made educated guesses. One thing is for sure, they are not even close to starting yet.
     
     Contained at the link below is a very good summary of these terms and where they are used within the Bible.
     http://www.biblestudytools.com/commenta ... tml#11250E
     
     All these "signs" that we've seen this year surrounding the eclipse I think are messages from the Lord, the time is short, this is what it's going to be like without me, so repent and be saved now. Daniel's 70th week is not even close, no temple has been rebuilt on the Mount Zion (the Dome of the Rock), so no abomination of desolation can take place, no sacrifices can cease. These signs are just gentle reminders of the troubles to come. "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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    Night Owl        12 Sep 2017, 19:10 #388
     The L.A. Wildfire was not that big, the only thing was, it was within the city limits of Los Angeles, so it got a broad viewing, but the Station fire in 2009, was much bigger and did more damage. "If your opponent is quick to anger, seek to irritate him"--Sun Tzu
     
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    Creepy as Hell        12 Sep 2017, 22:28 #389
     So far...
     
     
     California is on fire.
     Oregon is on fire.
     Washington is on fire.
     British Columbia is on fire.
     Alberta is on fire
     Montana is on fire.
     Nova Scotia is on fire.
     Greece is on fire.
     Brazil is on fire.
     Portugal is on fire.
     Algeria is on fire.
     Tunisia is on fire.
     Greenland is on fire.
     The Sakha Republic of Russia is on fire.
     Siberia is on fire.
     
     Texas is under water
     India, Nepal, Pakistan, and Bangladesh, experience record monsoons and massive death toll.
     Sierra Leone and Niger experience massive floods, mudslides, and deaths in the thousands.
     
     Italy, France, Spain, Switzerland, Hungary, Poland, Romania, Bosnia, Croatia, and Serbia are crushed in the death grip of a triple digit heat wave, dubbed Lucifer.
     Southern California continues to swelter under triple digit heat that shows no sign of letting up.
     In usually chilly August, the city of San Francisco shatters all-time record at 106 degrees, while it reaches 115 degrees south of the city. Northern California continues to bake in the triple digits.
     
     (Sadie Note: in usually HOT August, Ga had mild and sometimes unusually
     cool days)
     
     (()) Yellowstone volcano is hit with earthquake swarm of over 2,300 tremors since June, recording a 4.4 quake on June 15, 20017 and 3.3 shaker on August 21, 2017.
     (()) 5.3 earthquake rumbles through Idaho
     (()) Japan earthquake 6.1 possible tsunami..
     (()) Mexico earthquake 8.2 imminent tsunami. Beach lines are receded atleast 50+ meters
     
     Hurricanes Harvey, Irma (biggest ever recorded), Jose and Katia are barreling around the Atlantic with 8 more potentials forming
     
     And last but not least an X10 C.M.E solar flare two nights ago. The highest recorded solar flare ever!
     
     (Sadie Note: Another big one yesterday but it was not Earth facing)
     
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    Night Owl        12 Sep 2017, 23:17 #390
     So far this year California has had 38 fires. A Cal firefighter I know told me in 1012 there were over 440 fires for the year. "If your opponent is quick to anger, seek to irritate him"--Sun Tzu
     
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    Straight Jacket Time        12 Sep 2017, 23:49 #391
     But Rogue, it's all over the west, not just California. And they're affecting sunsets in the east. "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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    Sadie,Sep 8 2017 wrote: But, is there a written law that it has to be there?
     
     There are other places in the scriptures that I believe
     relate to a pre trib rapture so I am not dismayed.
     
    You are right and I am right. We're both right I don't have time here for detail.
     
     My sense of timing of the rapture is "Before the Day of the Lord" - when God takes out his wrath on what's left of the human race.; Dies Irae, Day of Wrath of the Lord, specific seals, trumpets, bowls.
     
     Revelation gives the narrow sense, Paul gives the narrow sense, the OT prophets give the broad sense, all 7 seals, trumpets and bowls are "The Day of the Lord", sooooooooo, all commentators say the tribulation begins with the opening of the 1st seal, so the rapture should occur before that. I'll explain later.
     
     This website is OUTSTANDING. intelligently written, very well documented. I'm printing out stuff from it.
     They have a facebook group page - I also see on facebook people who have discernment have shared their stuff. I sent a group request - I want to ask these people who they are, who they represent - I hope it's not 7th Day Adventist - they don't sound like them.
     http://www.biblestudytools.com/commenta ... -lord.html
     http://www.biblestudytools.com/commenta ... -dawn.html
     http://www.biblestudytools.com/commenta ... ation.html
     
      "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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    Straight Jacket Time        13 Sep 2017, 23:41 #393
     What these links have done for me is put what I've read in the past 21 years into perspective.
     
     What was tripping me up was my inability to distinguish between past "Days of the Lord" and future.
     
     To start with, The Day of the Lord is synonymous with Jacob's Time of Trouble and the Great Tribulation, or tribulation in the far off future as used by Moses in Deuteronomy 4:30. They are all in parallel, not serial; they describe the same thing; all of them use the adjective "great" and the phrase "never before".
     They all describe catastrophic destruction for the wicked unsaved, a cleansing of the Earth, accompanied by celestial fireworks.
     
     <edited> Zechariah 14:12 makes it plain that whoever's in charge in Israel will use a nuke to defend Jerusalem. Joel tells of a battle taking place in the "Valley of Decision, which a pilgrim in 333-4 AD defined for the modern era as the Kidron Valley. (Conjecturing, maybe that blast will split Mt Zion (Dome of the Rock) in two. Just musing)
     
     BTW, whatever the Gentiles get, the Jews get double, because they know better. That's the whole purpose of the tribulation, to get the Jews to admit that they acknowledge the Lord ("They will know I am the Lord." That's in Isaiah 40:2. (I was surprised!).
     
     Past "Days of the Lord" always involve Assyria or Babylon being used to pass judgment on Israel and Judah (the split).
     ------
     As far as the rapture goes, again, that was a perspective problem I had from reading and re-reading Revelation. I was suffering from myopia. Paul, Daniel and the rest of the OT prophets describe "The Day of the Lord" in various ways implying different lengths.
     
     Scofield notwithstanding, the 7 seals encompass the whole tribulation which is the last three and one-half years of Daniel's 70th week. (Scofield will lead you down the merry trail sometimes.)
     
     So sometime before the four horsemen of the Apocalypse ride, the rapture happens. (Yeah I know, I hem and haw.) But Paul says in 1 Thessalonians 5
     "While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape."
     
     The author of the book the commentator references makes the point that once the four horseman ride, peace and safety will be a myth. Therefore, the whole period of the 7 seals is the Day of the Lord. Therefore, we will be raptured before hand. That's one argument for. (In most translations, 1 Thessalonians Chapter 5 is titled "The Day of the Lord."
     ================
     
     These are all my opinions. The Jews of Antiochus Epiphanes 1V time (150s BC) read the print off Daniel because they were convinced they were in end times because of his brutal persecutions detailed in Maccabees 1 and 2 (Catholic Bible). The were looking for the Messiah and when Jesus finally showed up, they collectively said, not him! Gimme a break!
     
     The Christians of John's time read the print off Revelation expecting Jesus to come back right away, because of what Jesus told the apostles (paraphrasing), "What is to you how long you will live." Leaving the impression that John would live the longest. So as long as John was alive, they're good, Jesus is coming back. When John died in the 100s AD, now everyone is in a state of shock, they screwed up, they're reading Revelation and every other piece of prophetic literature in a different light. That's why there's a whole lot of eschatological commentary coming from the early Church Fathers.
     
     ==========
     
     <edit to add>
     It was zechariah I was referring to "nuke".
     
     1. A day of the Lord is coming, Jerusalem, when your possessions will be plundered and divided up within your very walls.
     2. I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city.
     3. Then the Lord will go out and fight against those nations, as he fights on a day of battle.
     
     4. On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south.

     
     5. You will flee by my mountain valley, for it will extend to Azel. You will flee as you fled from the earthquakea in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the Lord my God will come, and all the holy ones with him.
     6. On that day there will be neither sunlight nor cold, frosty darkness.
     7. It will be a unique day—a day known only to the Lord—with no distinction between day and night. When evening comes, there will be light.
     8. On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half of it east to the Dead Sea and half of it west to the Mediterranean Sea, in summer and in winter.
     9. The Lord will be king over the whole earth. On that day there will be one Lord, and his name the only name.
     10. The whole land, from Geba to Rimmon, south of Jerusalem, will become like the Arabah. But Jerusalem will be raised up high from the Benjamin Gate to the site of the First Gate, to the Corner Gate, and from the Tower of Hananel to the royal winepresses, and will remain in its place.
     11. It will be inhabited; never again will it be destroyed. Jerusalem will be secure.
     
     12. This is the plague with which the Lord will strike all the nations that fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh will rot while they are still standing on their feet, their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths.
     
     13. On that day people will be stricken by the Lord with great panic. They will seize each other by the hand and attack one another.
     14. Judah too will fight at Jerusalem. The wealth of all the surrounding nations will be collected—great quantities of gold and silver and clothing.
     
     15. A similar plague will strike the horses and mules, the camels and donkeys, and all the animals in those camps.
     
     16. Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, and to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles.
     17. If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, they will have no rain.
     18. If the Egyptian people do not go up and take part, they will have no rain. The Lord will bring on them the plague he inflicts on the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles.
     19. This will be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles.
     
     20. On that day holy to the Lord will be inscribed on the bells of the horses, and the cooking pots in the Lord’s house will be like the sacred bowls in front of the altar.
     21. Every pot in Jerusalem and Judah will be holy to the Lord Almighty, and all who come to sacrifice will take some of the pots and cook in them. And on that day there will no longer be a Canaanite in the house of the Lord Almighty. "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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    Night Owl        14 Sep 2017, 03:00 #394
     
    oldmanmike,Sep 12 2017 wrote: But Rogue, it's all over the west, not just California. And they're affecting sunsets in the east.
    It's fire season, there will always be fires all over the west, it's what happens this time a year. "If your opponent is quick to anger, seek to irritate him"--Sun Tzu
     
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    Straight Jacket Time        15 Sep 2017, 01:19 #395
     edited the mistakes out of my last post.
     added zechariah 14 because I cannot improve on his description of what happens in the battle at Jerusalem. something else. "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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    Creepy as Hell        16 Sep 2017, 22:49 #396
     I really appreciate all of the time and thought you put into
     your posts, Mike. :4U:
     
     Question, the parts you bolded, are what you are saying mean
     that a nuke will be used, right?
     
     Why do you think a nuke and not a plague like it says?
     
     I'm just curious since the Bible is filled with times that the Lord
     issued plagues against people or countries.
     
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    Night Owl        17 Sep 2017, 15:17 #397
     My church bible study group is finally going to study Revelation. 18 week study.
     
     For the actual study, they are asking we keep only to the Bible, but if we want to pursue self study, read away, whatever commentaries, or books are out there. "If your opponent is quick to anger, seek to irritate him"--Sun Tzu
     
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    Night Owl        17 Sep 2017, 15:34 #398
     
    oldmanmike,Sep 12 2017 wrote:
    Sadie,Sep 8 2017 wrote: But, is there a written law that it has to be there?
     
     There are other places in the scriptures that I believe
     relate to a pre trib rapture so I am not dismayed.
     
    You are right and I am right. We're both right I don't have time here for detail.
     
     My sense of timing of the rapture is "Before the Day of the Lord" - when God takes out his wrath on what's left of the human race.; Dies Irae, Day of Wrath of the Lord, specific seals, trumpets, bowls.
     
     Revelation gives the narrow sense, Paul gives the narrow sense, the OT prophets give the broad sense, all 7 seals, trumpets and bowls are "The Day of the Lord", sooooooooo, all commentators say the tribulation begins with the opening of the 1st seal, so the rapture should occur before that. I'll explain later.
     
     This website is OUTSTANDING. intelligently written, very well documented. I'm printing out stuff from it.
     They have a facebook group page - I also see on facebook people who have discernment have shared their stuff. I sent a group request - I want to ask these people who they are, who they represent - I hope it's not 7th Day Adventist - they don't sound like them.
    http://www.biblestudytools.com/commenta ... -lord.html
     http://www.biblestudytools.com/commenta ... -dawn.html
     http://www.biblestudytools.com/commenta ... ation.html The Bible Study tool is part of the Salem Media Network. Salem Media
     
     Hugh Hewitt is part of Salem, and he is Roman Catholic, so I don't think the BST is SDA. "If your opponent is quick to anger, seek to irritate him"--Sun Tzu
     
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    Straight Jacket Time        17 Sep 2017, 18:36 #399
     
    wrote:=Rogue of the celestial night,Sep 17 2017, 03:34 PM] This website is OUTSTANDING. intelligently written, very well documented. I'm printing out stuff from it.
     They have a facebook group page - I also see on facebook people who have discernment have shared their stuff. I sent a group request - I want to ask these people who they are, who they represent - I hope it's not 7th Day Adventist - they don't sound like them.
    http://www.biblestudytools.com/commenta ... -lord.html
     http://www.biblestudytools.com/commenta ... -dawn.html
     http://www.biblestudytools.com/commenta ... ation.html The Bible Study tool is part of the Salem Media Network. Salem Media
     
     Hugh Hewitt is part of Salem, and he is Roman Catholic, so I don't think the BST is SDA. [/QUOTE]
     Thanks Rogue most of the time now I'm working off my wife's laptop. It does not allow the full screen that I'm used to with my 23" monitor.
     
     Salem is immense. I was able after a lot of dinking around to get from salem to Bible Study Tools, but could not get from BST to where I'm at.
     
     Anyhow I'm glad your church is studying Revelations. A lot of pastors are convinced that the pre trib rapture is how it's going to happen, so the plagues and timing of Revelations 6-22 are a don't care. "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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 I edited out my opinions and my answers to your question, Sadie. this is not about my opinions. I got off track. I'm sorry. "History becomes legend,
 Legend fades into myth
 Myth is forgotten and denied
 Until history repeats itself"[/list]

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    Straight Jacket Time        18 Sep 2017, 00:34 #401
     So, to recap what I've learned.
     
     The 7 seals of Revelation are an overview of the 3-1/2 years of Daniel's 70th week, because of the way the seal is presented to the Lord:
     
     Rev 5:1 - Then I saw in the right hand of him who sat on the throne a scroll with writing on both sides and sealed with seven seals. NIV
     
     I read a footnote in the ESV study bible that said a Roman contract will had writing on both sides, with the outside a written summary of the details of how the will was to be executed, which is on the inside (after the scroll has been rolled up). That is why I think the 7 seals are a summary of the entire period.
     
     But before we get into the details of the seals, trumpets, and bowls, I think I should summarize the first two links which use scripture to define the term "Day of the Lord" and its timing.
     
     I looked up their list of scriptures that use the term "Day of the Lord", and their conclusions are true. I'll use the acronym DOTL from now on, to save typing time.
     
     The DOTL is used to describe the Lord intervening in human events, past and future, dishing out punishment to his foes.
     
     The way you tell a past event is judgment is passed on a specific nation - Assyria by Babylon, Babylon by Media/Persia, Israel by all 3, Egypt by Babylon.
     
     ex: Amos 5-1 Hear this word, Israel, this lament I take up concerning you:
     Amos 5-18 Woe to you who long for the day of the Lord!
     
     
     The way you tell a FUTURE DOTL is, judgment is passed on ALL nations. (When the Bible says "nations", they mean a country or people other than Israel.)
     
     ex: Zephaniah 1 in NIV:
     
     1The word of the Lord that came to Zephaniah son of Cushi, the son of Gedaliah, the son of Amariah, the son of Hezekiah, during the reign of Josiah son of Amon king of Judah:
     
     2 “I will sweep away everything from the face of the earth,” “When I destroy all mankind on the face of the earth,” declares the Lord.
     
     3 “I will sweep away both man and beast; I will sweep away the birds in the sky
     and the fish in the sea—and the idols that cause the wicked to stumble.”
     “When I destroy all mankind on the face of the earth,” declares the Lord.
     
     and on and on until
     
     14 The great day of the Lord is near— near and coming quickly. The cry on the day of the Lord is bitter; the Mighty Warrior shouts his battle cry.
     
     15 That day will be a day of wrath— a day of distress and anguish, a day of trouble and ruin, a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and blackness—
     
     16 a day of trumpet and battle cry against the fortified cities and against the corner towers.
     
     17 “I will bring such distress on all people that they will grope about like those who are blind, because they have sinned against the Lord. Their blood will be poured out like dust and their entrails like dung.
     
     18 Neither their silver nor their gold will be able to save them on the day of the Lord’s wrath.” In the fire of his jealousy the whole earth will be consumed, for he will make a sudden end of all who live on the earth.
     
     Pretty rough stuff.
     
     The are many synonyms for the DOTL - the main ones being the "Time of Jacob's (Israel's) trouble" and "Tribulation". Jacob means Israel when the Bible is not referring to Jacob the son of Isaac. Tribulation was used by Jesus and Moses. Another one is God's wrath, or wrath of the Lamb of God - Revelation.
     
     The next thing to consider are the characteristics of the future DOTL. It is always doom and gloom, darkness envelopes the land, smoke, all kinds of cataclysms.
     
     Sometimes the DOTL is regarded as a period of darkness followed by light, like the Jewish day starting at night followed by day (2300 evenings and mornings come to mind.) Commentators think the light is the start of Jesus 1000 year reign.
     
     This brings up the question, what period of time does DOTL refer to? It is always a time of God's wrath, but we are not appointed to God's wrath (1 |Thessalonians 5:9), so that begs the question, when does God's wrath start?
     
     Paul said in 1 Thessalonians 5: 3 - While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.
     
     As I said earlier, this means that when the 4 horsemen ride, peace and safety will be a myth. Therefore, since God's Wrath means the DOTL, and the DOTL occurs during the final three and one half years of Daniel's 70th week, this means we will be raptured sometime before.
     
     Another thing to remember is, in Revelations, people don't realize until the sixth seal that this is end times, which means a whole lot of this prophetic scripture will only be recognized in hindsight. I mean, who could have predicted in 1900 that Israel would be a nation in 1948? Yet scripture predicted it, but nobody realized it until it happened,
     
     
      "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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    Straight Jacket Time        18 Sep 2017, 19:52 #402
     
    Sadie,Sep 16 2017 wrote: I really appreciate all of the time and thought you put into
     your posts, Mike. 
    :4U:
     
     Question, the parts you bolded, are what you are saying mean
     that a nuke will be used, right?
     
     Why do you think a nuke and not a plague like it says?
     
     I'm just curious since the Bible is filled with times that the Lord
     issued plagues against people or countries. Now that I've got that cleaned up.
     Thank you for the kind words, but I should be thanking you for providing the forum to spread God's Word.
     
     anyway.
     
     I bolded Zechariah verse 4 because that looks like a strike slip fault underneath Mount Zion, that's how they react in an earthquake.
     
     The whole Jordan Valley is part of the Great African Rift. a gigantic fault zone that goes across 1/3 of the globe, a tremendous cataclysm wrenched the globe sometime between when Abraham went to Egypt and Moses came back, because the Dead Sea wasn't there on the way down. Velikovsky theorizes that it was the comet Venus hitting the earth during Exodus causing all the plagues - actually, the first part of that theory IS in the Bible - when Paul is talking to the Athenians in Acts he's telling them about their own stupid gods, how Artemis (Diana - Venus) came out of Marduk (Jupiter)
     
     I bolded 14 and 16 because eyes and tongues melting in place while standing up is what happened to the Japs in WW2 when we nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Their flesh melted.
     
     Throughout the Bible, God uses his creation (men and objects) to get things done, not just wave his hands.
     You have to ask yourself, How did Joshua stop the sun for some 18 hours?
     How did Hezekiah(?) move the sundial back 10 degrees?
     Why is the Red Sea named Red, along with a whole bunch of other features in the Middle East?
     Why was Venus surface temp measured at 600 degrees F?
     Why does Venus have the opposite rotation of the other planets?
     Why was the original solar system Mercury Mars Earth Jupiter in days gone by? "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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    Creepy as Hell        19 Sep 2017, 22:34 #403
     
    wrote:As I said earlier, this means that when the 4 horsemen ride, peace and safety will be a myth. Therefore, since God's Wrath means the DOTL, and the DOTL occurs during the final three and one half years of Daniel's 70th week, this means we will be raptured sometime before.
    Pre or mid Trib rapture I can handle just not post Trib.
     
     :rapt:
     
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    Straight Jacket Time        20 Sep 2017, 00:54 #404
     
    oldmanmike,Sep 11 2017 wrote: Luke 21:25 - There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea.
     
     Red letter.
     
     Preacher Ricky pointed this out to me today
     
     Aug 17th, red cloud over Brazil. Accuweather video.
     Aug 21 was there not a coast to coast total solar eclipse?
     Aug 26-Sept 1 - Hurricane Harvey
     Sept 2 - LA wildfire
     Sept 8 - Mexican earthquake
     Sept 2-10 Western wildfires
     Sept 10 - 13 Hurricane Irma
     
     In my 75 years I've never seen a sequence like this. Superlatives were used to describe Irma and Harvey.
    :windy:
     
     :damned: annnnnnnnd
     
     Sept 20th - 7.4 earthquake Mexico City
     Hurricane Jose meandering off the east coast
     with Hurricane Maria wiping out the Virgins and Puerto Rico.
     
     quite a litany of disasters following the eclipse. Just sayin'. Where is the money going to come from to rebuild these place? "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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    Creepy as Hell        20 Sep 2017, 16:53 #405
     Someone posted this at glop and I thought it was interesting.
     Could it be that instead of the rapture being on the 23rd as some have
     speculated, instead, it starts the Tribulation?
     
     (Side note, today President Trump says they are very close to
     a Mideast Peace deal. He talked today to the head of Egypt, Jordan,
     Israel the UK and more but I don't remember which ones. )
     
     Here is the info that the person at glop posted so far.
     
     
     
     If the 23rd is about a constellation alignment, of virgo giving birth to Jupiter.
     
     If we follow Revelation, and follow Jupiter's movement through the constellations could there be more parallels?
     
     After giving birth the woman is to remain hidden for 1260 days or about 3 and half years later.
     
     After 3 and half years, guess where Jupiter is going to be?
     
     Jupiter will be right next to the Aquila constellation. Aquila, this is a latin name for Eagle.
     
     There's more.
     
     Rev says, the woman is given the wings of an eagle, at this same time, or after 3 and half years (1260 days).
     
     
     On Dec 2020, around 3 and half years after the woman gives birth, it talks about a war in heaven.
     
     Jupiter approaches Saturn and Pluto.
     
     Jupiter soon passes through these two planets.
     
     So from his point of view, he sees Jupiter about to approach and battle Saturn (Satan?) and Pluto (Hades / Death).
     
     If so, this would make sense as far as death / Pluto being defeated.
     
     After Jupiter passes them both, it moves to a constellation, that has the bottom half of fish, and the top half of beast with hornsl
     
     And the Revelation 13, talks about beast coming out of the sea with horns.
     
     
     At the last part of chapter 12, it says after being defeated and cast down to Earth. The serpent will cast out of water as flood to drown the woman.
     
     After Jupiter passes (defeats?) Saturn, it soon will move to the water bearer or Aquaris constellation. He's pictured holding a massiver jug of water, and pouring (flooding) it down.
     
     
     The book of Revelation talks about Babylon being defeated.
     
     In the Chaldean mysteries, the Babylonian dictator Nimrod was deified as Saturn.
     
     On Dec 2020, Jupiter not only passes through Saturn, but it's directly over Saturn, like an eclipse.
     
     And from Rev 12, it talks about the war in heaven with Satan, which will occur 1260 days after the woman gives birth (Sept 23), and this occurs around the date mentioned above.
     
     
     Here's something else.
     
     In Rev 12, after giving birth, the woman remains hidden for 1260 days. After she's given wings, she'll be taken care of for another 1260 days.
     
     So that tells you, we have at least 7 years from when the woman gives birth (Sept 23).
     
     So seven years later Sept 20, 2024 Jupiter is right next to Orion. And Orion is known as a great hunter or slayer of beasts.
     
     And Rev 19, says the final event, before the 1000 year reign of peace, would be that the beast is slain.
     
     
     Around 2027, Jupiter will be in the Leo / Lion constellation.
     
     Could this mark the return and reign of Jesus, who's referred to as the "the Lion from Tribe of Judah" in Rev 5?
     
     
     
     
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    Straight Jacket Time        20 Sep 2017, 19:14 #406
     
    wrote:In Rev 12, after giving birth, the woman remains hidden for 1260 days. After she's given wings, she'll be taken care of for another 1260 days.
     
     So that tells you, we have at least 7 years from when the woman gives birth (Sept 23).
     
     So seven years later Sept 20, 2024 Jupiter is right next to Orion. And Orion is known as a great hunter or slayer of beasts.
    I just got done studying that last night. This is one of those things where someone is trying to make something out of nothing. It is obvious to me and all other commentators that one is an expansion (more detail) of the other. It's the same three and one-half years, 1260 days, times, time, and half a time.
     
     Here's the scripture.
     
     Rev 12:5-6
     5 She gave birth to a son, a male child, who will rule all the nations with an iron scepter. And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne.
     <skip 2000 years> (Prophets do this - omm)
     6 The woman fled into the desert to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days.
     
     war in heaven
     
     Rev 12:13-17
     13 When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child.
     14 The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the desert, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent's reach.
     15 Then from his mouth the serpent spewed water like a river, to overtake the woman and sweep her away with the torrent.
     16 But the earth helped the woman by opening its mouth and swallowing the river that the dragon had spewed out of his mouth.
     17 Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring-those who obey God's commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus.
     NIV
     
     The woman is Israel. The male child is Jesus. It remains to be seen if the war in heaven was past or future, some people say past, when the dragon=Satan (defined in other parts of Revelation).
     
     Remember that the Devil and 1/3 of his angels were thrown out of heaven back in Genesis I think. Remember that one of the trumpets say 1/3 of the stars fall to earth. Remember that the prophets say Israel gets punished for worshiping the "hosts of heaven" meaning stars, meaning false gods.
     
     Other prophets and another part of Revelation say a remnant of Jewish believers hide out in the desert. KJV OT Zepaniah chapt 3 says below the rivers of Cush (Ethiopia).
     
     So the dragon is thrown out of heaven and attacks the believers with his lies (the water) but the earth swallows the water up (we fight back with the truth) But Satan ain't having none of it so the persecution gets worse.
     
     This is interpretation by a majority of commentators. You let the Bible define itself.
     
     The Bible is not subject to private interpretation. "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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    Straight Jacket Time        20 Sep 2017, 19:23 #407
     I learned this, last week - from a pastor.
     
     Whenever the Bible says "shall", something shall happen, it is always the imperative case (a command is given).
     
     So whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved. the Shall is a command form the Lord.
     
     :clap: AAAAAAAAAAAAAmen! "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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    Night Owl        22 Sep 2017, 19:10 #408
     Also, when the word, behold is used, the writer wants you to pay close attention. "If your opponent is quick to anger, seek to irritate him"--Sun Tzu
     
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    Straight Jacket Time        23 Sep 2017, 23:05 #409
     It occurred to me last night that the progression of plagues of Revelation could be a comet or planet interfering in our solar system. Maybe Jupiter will spit out another comet like Venus as it did (according to my man Velikovsky) during Exodus.
     
     Fourth Trumpet - partial obscurity of the light of the sun, moon, and stars
     
     Rev 8:12 The fourth angel sounded his trumpet, and a third of the sun was struck, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of them turned dark. A third of the day was without light, and also a third of the night.
     
     Sixth Seal Full obscurity of sun and stars with a full moon turning red from the dust raised into the atmosphere by cataclysms (unnamed)? speculation.
     
     Rev 6:12 I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red,
     
     13 and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind.
     
     NIV
     
      "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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    Creepy as Hell        25 Sep 2017, 20:40 #410
     They say it's all over when it may just be beginning...
     
     You probably don't want to watch this but the guy makes
     a lot of sense. The time could be the 30th
     
     
     
     

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    Straight Jacket Time        26 Sep 2017, 01:01 #411
     This site devotes space and scripture to the study of Lucifer/Satan. He and his minions were thrown out of heaven before the world was created, and........is currently our "Accuser" (that's what Satan means), but during Revelation, he won't bet able to do even that. During Revelation (Daniel's 70th week) he is reduced to attacking his own followers.
     
     We were set free from him when Jesus died on the cross. That is why I pay little attention to Satan.
     https://www.biblesprout.com/articles/he ... st-heaven/ "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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    Straight Jacket Time        30 Sep 2017, 00:09 #412
     I am absolutely convinced that Velikovsky's account of the order of cataclysms that accompanied Exodus are:
     A) True
     B) a picture of exactly what will happen during the tribulation.
     
     I'm re-reading Worlds in Collision for the nth time, but this time with a firm picture of what the OT prophets and Revelation say. There's no doubt about it. The plagues of vermin, hail (barad, meteroites), fiery rain, quakes, tsunamis. incredible land shifts are common to both Exodus and the prophets for end times, and Revelation.
     
     The strange sounds - the trumpets everybody's been hearing around the world I think are precoursers to real earthquakes. Papyrus Ipuwer complains bitterly about the incessant noise (trumpet calls) that emanate from the bowels of the earth. "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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    Straight Jacket Time        30 Sep 2017, 22:34 #413
     I'm not the only guy who has noticed the similarity of plagues of Exodus and Revelation. The internet is full, 100s of pages written about that subject. Some look for a spiritual connection, some look for a biblical connection, sone pussyfoot around and say "We're open to suggestions on this." Some look at the literal connection and try to draw a spiritual connection. None dare subscribe to Velikovsky's theory, and suggest Niburu may happen again.
     
     edit to add, Velikovsky was the first man of our era to experience the fury of the scientific establishment because he dared to upset the established order. Velikovsky was politically incorrect. His starting point was Joshua, the Bible. He postulated that the Bible was right, and their theories of Dawinism, survival of the fittest, creation, and succession of the ages were wrong. He couldn't understand why they were so mad, and neither could I, when I listened to him as a young lad.
     
     Now we know why they were so mad.
     
     =======
     
     I learned something today about a subject I know nothing about - celestial mechanics and solar eclipses.
     
     For reasons I don't understand, a total eclipse of the sun can only happen during the 4th quarter of the moon, aka new moon. When Jesus died, there was darkness from 12 PM to 3 PM, and an earthquake.
     
     There could not have been a solar eclipse because Jesus was crucified at Passover. Passover only occurs during a full moon. Solar eclipses over any given are last 7 minutes max. The darkness lasted 3 hours. A few months ago, I learned the darkness and earthquake were a local phenomena.
     
     So God used some other method to interrupt the sunlight. I read the above argument in Augustine's City of God, (I wish I had time to read the whole thing!) and verified it by googling current knowledge. The moon is tilted at 5 degrees to the sun, I learned. "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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    Straight Jacket Time        01 Oct 2017, 22:54 #414
     On page 175 of Velikovsky's Worlds in Collision, he says:
     Isiaiah 9:2 is The people who walked in darkness have seen a great light; those who dwelt in a land of deep darkness, on them has light shone. (ESV)
     
     All translation similar.
     
     He says it should be:
     
     The people who walked in darkness have seen a great light; those who dwelt in a land of deep darkness, on them the light of Venus has shined.
     
     Velikovsky is wrong, yet he is right. He used the wrong Hebrew word "nogah" )(modern Noga - female name) and the critics buried him. The right word is Hebrew "nagah" which in late Hebrew for Venus. Look up online Strong's 5050.
     http://biblehub.com/hebrew/5050.htm
     
     Wow!
     
     The meaning being, the Israelites walked through the valley of the shadow of death in Arabia, the gloom of darkness in Arabia for 40 years, guided by a column of smoke by day, a pillar of fire by night. the comet Venus wrapped around the earth, the glowing head fighting with the dragon like snake like tail. This didn't last for 40 years, neither did the biblical description aforementioned. But that's how it started, once they crossed the Red (why did they call it Red?) Sea.
     
     Remember the oil fires of the Gulf War? That's what the landscape was like, intermittently lit by the light of a thousand volcanoes exploding at one. The atmosphere was fogged for years and years. All they had to eat was manna - that's another story.
     
     This was not a localized phenomena. This was witnessed world-wide, written down world-wide as legends of the Mayas, Aztecs, and west Indies by Spanish monks following the conquistadors. "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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     Between 1495 BC (Exodus) and 687 BC, when Sennacherib's 180 thousand plus army got blasted by a thunderbolt from Mars, the world was on a 30 day month 360 day calendar. There are too many archeological examples (literally cast in concrete) to say otherwise. Mars ended another "age" by modifying the earth's orbit and inclination to its present 23.5 degree tilt, 365.25 year and set the "present world order."
     
     By the time Daniel (620-533BC), the so-called Hebrew calendar was obsolete, and since Daniel was the boss of all astrologers in Babylon, I do not think he would have used any other year than our modern year in his predictions. "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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    Creepy as Hell        11 Oct 2017, 17:23 #416
     Very interesting posts, Mike.
     
     When you say this, are you meaning literal volcanoes?
    wrote:Remember the oil fires of the Gulf War? That's what the landscape was like, intermittently lit by the light of a thousand volcanoes exploding at one. The atmosphere was fogged for years and years. All they had to eat was manna - that's another story.
    And, forgive my dumbness but what do you mean by Venus wrapping around the Earth?
     
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    Straight Jacket Time        11 Oct 2017, 17:46 #417
     
     
     
     agreed(tm)
     
     
      storm's getting worse...
     we'll pass through it soon enough
     
     [size=50%]not by fire, but by ice? [/size]
     
     
      look at the sky five minutes every day and five minutes every night and it will change your life.? ?
     
     
     just sayin'
     
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     Padre Pio: “Satan Will Come To Rule A False Church”
     
     gloria.tv
     
     “Around 1960 the famous Roman exorcist Gabriele Amorth (+2016) met Padre Pio of Pietrelcina (+1968) and talked with him about the third secret of Fatima. Amorth speaks about this in an interview from 2011, published only recently as a book entitled ‘The Best Kept Secret of Fatima’.
     
     Padre Pio told Father Amorth: ‘Satan has been introduced into the bosom of the Church and he will within a very short time come to rule a false Church.’ Amorth says that Padre Pio was ‘really tormented’ by one issue that is ‘the great apostasy within the Church’.”
     
     
     10/11/2017
     
     http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/ ... eAHt1tSwnR
     
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    Creepy as Hell        12 Oct 2017, 20:49 #419
     Tomorrow, October 13th is the 100 yr anniversary of the last visit of
     Mary to the children of Fatima.
     
     I know some don't believe but I choose to believe in the Holy visitations.
     
     Anyway, here is a blast from the past of FR Malachi Martin on with Art Bell
     regarding the third secret of Fatima. I also think that Satan could very
     well be in the Vatican and possibly Pope Francis is THE pope they are
     referring to.
     
     
     
     
     
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    Straight Jacket Time        14 Oct 2017, 00:58 #420
     
    Sadie,Oct 11 2017 wrote: Very interesting posts, Mike.
     
     When you say this, are you meaning literal volcanoes?
    wrote:Remember the oil fires of the Gulf War? That's what the landscape was like, intermittently lit by the light of a thousand volcanoes exploding at one. The atmosphere was fogged for years and years. All they had to eat was manna - that's another story.
    And, forgive my dumbness but what do you mean by Venus wrapping around the Earth?
    Venus, as a comet expelled by Jupiter, got entangled with the earth, the glowing head on one side, the distorted tail on another.
     
     I'm not saying, disbelieve the Bible. God used his creation to get his chosen out of Egypt. He didn't just wave his hands. He told Moses what to do and when to do it. But the plagues of vermin and "blood" were real, as was the total darkness for x number of days. Eventually Venus broke free, assumed an elliptical orbit, and almost collided with earth again 52 years later, as documented in Joshua - the long day. There was an equally long night on the other side of the world, and a night where the sun peeked over the horizon, and stayed there.
     
     Papyrus Ipuwer reads identical to the accounts of Exodus. "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"

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    Straight Jacket Time        14 Oct 2017, 01:02 #421
     That video was interesting, I wonder when it was made? Too bad the background noise started 1/3 of the way through. Then I heard, "not 200 years, not 100 years, not 50 years, not even 20 years." what was he referring to? I couldn't hear "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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    Straight Jacket Time        14 Oct 2017, 22:36 #422
     The hot book right now is The Paradigm by Jonathon Kahn. Highly recommended! 7 bucks on eBay free ship.
     
      "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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    Creepy as Hell        14 Oct 2017, 23:45 #423
     
    oldmanmike,Oct 14 2017 wrote: That video was interesting, I wonder when it was made? Too bad the background noise started 1/3 of the way through. Then I heard, "not 200 years, not 100 years, not 50 years, not even 20 years." what was he referring to? I couldn't hear
    Art was asking him if he could say how long it would be
     before the third secret would happen. I think the last he said
     was it was not even 30 yrs away.
     His last interview with Art was in 1998 so he must
     have died not long after that.
     
     here is the link to the last one.
     It might be the one that this vid clip was taken from.
     
     
     
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     Thanks Sadie.
     
     Back to Revelation. To recap, I think the first 6 seals are an overview of the tribulation, with the 7th seal opening up trumpet and bowl judgments. I think the bowl judgments are the same as the trumpet judgments only much worse. Instead of percentages of the earth and humans affected, it's totality.
     
     It occurred to me last night that Revelation is laid out, out of sequence. You have your judgments, then Babylon takes up a couple of chapters, then John goes on to describe Armageddon, then the 1000 year reign, then Gog and Magog, then the new heavens and new earth.
     
     But before the judgments are over with, one of the angels is flying around saying, "Alas, Alas, Babylon has fallen!" and then right after the 7 bowl where God says "It is finished", John gets into to what happened to Babylon and why.
     
     I don't know what Babylon really means, obviously physical Rome is in for it, but I think it has to include the US, I mean, no global merchant is going to lose any sleep if Rome is destroyed.
     
     And then, when does Armageddon happen? It can't happen "after it is finished".
     
     Now the rest of it has to be in sequence. Plus I think Ezekiel's Gog and Magog are post-Jesus' 1000 year reign - where John mentions it. So I pay no attention to that part of Ezekiel. I could be wrong, it's just my opinion. (Remember, Ezekiel, Jeremiah, and Daniel were contemporaries.)
     
     When I said the plagues of Exodus were the same as the trumpets and bowls of Revelation, I meant, the EFFECTS of the plagues of Exodus were the same as the trumpets and bowls, the method of implementation described is different.
     
     I think I got it now. I think this much this time is what the Lord wants me to understand and teach to our church. Now I have to write it all down in an orderly fashion. Last night the Lord was totally guiding my reading - I had turned to Revelation, but nonono, go back and read every word of the plagues. OK now go read Revelation 6-10, then I saw the angel announcing Babylon, then I saw the end of the judgments, then I saw Babylon, then it all fell into place.
     
     What I've written here I got to print out and organize. So I'm done for awhile.
     
     =======
     
     I went and did it last Friday Bible study, I preached Velikovsky and Exodus. The pastor had said, "Nothing in the Bible amazed me more than Joshua stopping the sun." So I said, "When are you going to let me teach this stuff, why it all happened?" "Go ahead" OK I went on for 10 minutes on some of what I wrote about here, and then stopped, I'm not really ready - I'm not organized, I don't have my notes in front of me.
     
     There's no shortage of websites devoted to the similarities of the Exodus plagues and Revelation judgments. There's no shortage of websites preaching Revelation. There's a very few websites that talk about Velikovsky, other than Princeton, but nobody takes him seriously anymore.
     
     Nobody has walked into a church with "Worlds in Collision" and the Bible together and intermingled both in a sermon. That's what I'm doing. And it ain't me. It's the Holy Spirit guiding me, remember that. "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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    Straight Jacket Time        18 Oct 2017, 15:02 #425
     It is now "common" knowledge for those that are interested in such things that there were other calendars before the 365.25 day calendar in use today. This calendar was first implemented in the eight century BC (700s) as Velikovsky said but without attribution.
     http://www.webexhibits.org/calendars/ca ... cient.html
     
     This is an amazing website, in that (A) it is very 21st century (B) it is allowed to exist.
     
     It was Thales (624-546 BC), one of the 7 sages of Greece, who was the first in the modern era of Western civilization to formalize the 365 1/4 day year, but it wasn't accepted until the late Middle Ages by the Europeans. Thales was of Phoenician (Philistine - Tyre) decent, a contemporary of Hezekiah.
     
     A different calendar means a different earth orbit, which means something had to change earth's orbit, something most folks don't like to think about.
     
     One with a rudimentary knowledge of Latin might wonder why the last months of the year were labeled September, October, November, and December, by Romulus, the legendary founder of Rome. "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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    Creepy as Hell        19 Oct 2017, 23:36 #426
     Thanks for all the info, Mike.
     
     You are probably the first person that I have
     heard say you think Gog and Magog is post 100 yr reign.
     
     Can I ask why you think it is after the second coming
     and not before like all of the other descriptions?
     
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    Straight Jacket Time        20 Oct 2017, 01:04 #427
     
    Sadie,Oct 19 2017 wrote: Thanks for all the info, Mike.
     
     You are probably the first person that I have
     heard say you think Gog and Magog is post 100 yr reign.
     
     Can I ask why you think it is after the second coming
     and not before like all of the other descriptions?
    Because I'm somewhat a literal believer of the Bible. If John doesn't mention it until after the 1000 year reign, then it's not going to happen until after the 1000 year reign.
     
     Remember all them 2012 guys? Anybody heard anything from them lately? Nah, I didn't think so. That Bill Salus guy especially, he was full of it.
     
     Joel's Valley of Decision and Valley of Jehosophat are one and the same, and on the word of one single person, the Pilgrim of Bordeaux, has been accepted now as being the Kidron Valley. Jehosophat means, YWHW decides. There's a 3rd valley that Joel speaks of, Valley of Shittim, meaning, Acacia Valley, but it's nowhere near Jerusalem. So the commentators think that it's an unknown extension of the Kidron Valley.
     
     But no one really knows for sure. So much of this will only be known after the fact, by those who survive............. "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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     Revelation and the 10 plagues of Exodus.
     
     The Bible from Exodus 7:14 to 10:29, and 12:29-30 does not fully describe what all went on the night of 13 of Aviv, Passover.
     
     Isaiah 9:2 says the light of Venus shone upon them. shine = nagah = light of Venus as detailed earlier by Strong's lexicon. Midrashim (Jewish Legends) say the night was lit up like broad daylight.
     
     Psalm 68 and Psalm 114 both say the earth shook when Israel came out of Egypt.
     
     Papyrus Ipuwer, a document dated to the end of the Middle Kingdom, says "the towns were destroyed." "Upper Egypt is a waste." "The residence is overturned in a minute." "The children of the princes are dashed against the wall." I read this myself, the translation that Velikovsky used is online now.
     
     Eusebius says, "Hail and earthquake by night, so when those fleeing the earthquake were killed by hail, and those fleeing the hail were killed by earthquake. All the palaces were destroyed. Midrashim also says the 7th plague included an earthquake.
     
     So this chart shows you the similarities of the plagues of Exodus with the judgments of Revelation. The key points are red water, dust irritating skin, pitch black darkness so bad you can't see your hand in front of your face, with a gigantic earthquake in conclusion. The Exodus plagues were caused by the hand of God causing Jupiter to expel a comet (even the apostle Paul said this in Acts) we call Venus colliding with the earth. "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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     Originally, I thought the first 7 seals were an overview of the judgments of Revelation.
     
     Now I don't think so. You look at the trumpets where the first trumpet kills ALLLLLL the grass, and then the 5th trumpet - the locust "beings" are told to SAAAVE the grass. The more I stared at it, the light dawned. The grass was given time to grow back. This stuff ain't happening overnight. According to some commentaries, they take three and one-half years to accomplish, others the whole 7 years of Daniel's 70th week; so does this mean multiple passes of a comet, or more than one celestial entity? It takes a cloud of dust from something to turn water red, like it did in Exodus.
     
     The locusts in Exodus were told to eat up all the crops and greenery that survived the fiery hail - (Midrashim (Jewish legends) say naptha (petroleum)). Godalmighty. The land was torched with a celestial flame-thrower. "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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    Straight Jacket Time        24 Oct 2017, 15:12 #430
     Psalm 68 and Psalm 114 tell you what really happened during Exodus. Both set the time, "When Israel came out of Egypt, the earth shook."
     Papyrus Ipuwer says "The prince's children were dashed against the walls", and "dwelling are thrown down in a minute."
     Eusebius quotes a book that quotes a book (I know, 3rd hand) that all the palaces of Egypt collapsed from an earthquake in one night.
     St. Jerome (Hieronymus) 400AD says that an earth shock and lightning bolt is associated with the night of Exodus.
     
     My wife says I'm reading more into it than what's there.
     
     Nahhhhh Psalm 77 says the same thing, also. 3 different Psalms says there was a big earthquake at Passover.
     
     Last sentence was an edit 11/8/17
      "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"

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     This is a great article:
     http://www.scientiapress.com/athena-was ... s-poseidon
     
     In Greece, according to Velikovsky, planet Venus was originally named Athena. He interpreted the myth of her birth from the head of Zeus to mean that Venus had exploded out of Jupiter and headed on a trajectory into the inner solar system that led it to approach Earth at 52-year intervals, causing catastrophes upon especially close approaches. Velikovsky’s views gave rise to a terrific controversy that lasted for 30 years. Among many points of contention, his argument that Venus emerged from Jupiter encountered the greatest rejection; understandably, it seemed bizarre and contrary to the laws of physics to many scientists, so it helped his critics discredit him and marginalize his supporters.
     
     Now we can see that there is, in fact, a commonsensical explanation.
     
     If we consider the enormously powerful gravitational pull of Jupiter, as evidenced most recently in the break-up of comet Shoemaker-Levy, we can easily interpret the initial part of the myth that Velikovsky overlooked. Zeus had impregnated his consort Metis, then, fearing her offspring, he tricked her into flying into his mouth. But she gave birth to Athena inside him, meaning that the ancient Greek observer evidently saw Venus approach Jupiter, then (entering the mouth) disappear behind it, and finally appear on the other side of it (exiting the head), glowing brightly and with a cometary tail from the extreme heating caused by tidal friction.
     
     We also now have a new theory, for which there is plenty of evidence, that depicts this origin of Venus as part of a larger pattern by which the other terrestrial planets were originally pulled by Jupiter into the inner solar system billions of years before.
     
     Thus, whereas previously critics were able to argue that Athena was not the planet Venus and to dismiss Velikovsky entirely, we now have excellent reasons to think that Velikovsky was right that Athena was the original Greek Venus; and this lends strength to his other contentions, though it certainly does not prove them. But where did Athena get her name, and what did it mean?
     
     The Phoenician
     
     Many visitors to the Greek volcanic island Santorini have noted the curious fact that the Greek name of the island—Thira—differs only slightly from the name of its main town—Fira. We can surmise that the locals are still pronouncing the name in the original way while uninformed outsiders have changed the F to Th.
     
     If we apply this pattern to Athena, her original name appears to be A Fena. Instead of the unpersuasive etymologies usually offered for Athena or the unsatisfactory solution of no etymology at all, A Fena is rich in meaning. It means The Phoenician, the perfect epithet for Venus, the brilliant comet arising as the morning star over Phoenicia. It also may have been deliberately chosen to link up with the cult of the great goddess Astarte/Ishtar from the Near East.
     
     With the passage of time, outsiders evidently changed the F to Th, and as the name Athena spread throughout Greece, for the goddess was worshipped in many places, the link with Phoenicia and with the original meaning of Venus was lost. So the Greeks recruited a new goddess for Venus, which over the centuries was slowly losing its cometary tail and had ceased to approach and threaten Earth, instead becoming a benign beauty: Aphrodite. Tellingly, Aphrodite’s epithet in Homer was Kibris—Cyprus, also a place to the East where Venus arose every morning.
     
     snake_goddess_crete_1600bc1-675x1024Thus the old argument of Martin Nilsson that the famous Minoan Snake Goddess was related to Athena receives significant support. And we can perceive that the Romans’ Venus was originally Fenus, also The Phoenician. It is not clear whether Fenus was originally a male and then shifted gender or whether the masculine ending of Venus, -us, most anomalous for the goddess of love, was actually an attempt to capture the S sound of the third consonant in FeNiS or Phoenician. The etymology typically provided for Venus—that it came from venere—would appear to have the direction reversed.
     
     ................
     
     What conclusions can we draw from this account?
     
     1. The etymologies of Athena, Poseidon, and Venus constitute more pieces of evidence substantiating the Venus theory; and the etymology of Athena has special importance because the story of her birth from the head of Zeus is central to the correct interpretation of the origin of Planet Venus.
     
     2. Immanuel Velikovsky was a great theoretical scientist. Even though he made plenty of mistakes, they were the forgivable mistakes of a very insightful pioneer researcher. His contributions on the subject of the comet-planet Venus were a major contribution to science and history.
     
     [size=75%]3. The Velikovsky controversy has ended. [/size] The Venus theory has triumphed, though it might take many years for some people to understand this. In addition to the easy-to-interpret myth of Metis, the graphic parallel with Shoemaker-Levy, and the accompanying theory of the terrestrial planets, we have plentiful new evidence that all supports Velikovsky’s theory. This does not mean that many peripheral questions do not remain open to debate. Rather, it means that, even as we debate them, we should investigate the various dimensions of Velikovsky’s wide-ranging theory, including those related to climate change, for which the Bronze Age catastrophes offer abundant but not-easy-to-interpret evidence.
     
     4.[size=75%] Every serious student of ancient history and planetary science should read Worlds in Collision.[/size]
    "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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     So people are accepting Velikovsky's cosmology without accepting the implications.
     
     By that I mean, we have the most famous Queen in Egyptian history living in the 15th Century BC
     http://www.history.com/topics/ancient-h ... hatshepsut
     
     and the most famous King in Israel's history living in the 9th: King Solomon.
     
     So King Solomon entertains the famous Queen of Sheba. Where was Sheba? A small kingdom in the Kuwait area. They never had a queen. In fact, there's no famous queen in the middle east, in Solomon's time. In Queen Hatsupet's time, according to the Egyptians, Joshua was busy fighting the Caananites.
     
     So if Egypt's history is aligned with Israel's via Exodus/Ipuwer (end of the Middle Kingdom). Hatshepsut appears magically opposite Solomon and becomes the Queen of Sheba. (Where they came up with Sheba I don't know).
     
     Right now this minute, there exists a 600 year offset between Egypt's timeline and Israel's timeline. Velikovsky re-aligns the timelines to where Egypt's kingdom is 600 years younger than what everyone else thinks. This is why Velikovsky was so controversial. He told the Egyptologists, archaeologists, and geologists, "Y'all are full of it." And he was right. They are.
     
     This is a big deal, when you can get secular history to line up with the Bible. The Bible, in a sense, is a real history book, but it takes a linguistics expert in Middle Eastern languages to figure it out.
     
     All this and much more is detailed in this must-read by the Biblical student in this book here by Velikovsky: "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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    Straight Jacket Time        26 Oct 2017, 20:00 #433
     redid the revelation chart to include the plagues of exodus, and added commentary. "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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    Creepy as Hell        26 Oct 2017, 23:40 #434
     Excellent work, Mike.
     
     You make some of the Biblical mysteries easier to understand.
     
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    oldmanmike,Oct 15 2017 wrote: Plus I think Ezekiel's Gog and Magog are post-Jesus' 1000 year reign - where John mentions it. So I pay no attention to that part of Ezekiel. I could be wrong, it's just my opinion.

     
     John Gill suggests Gog and Magog in Revelation are different from Gog and Magog in Ezekiel.
     
     
     
     https://www.biblestudytools.com/comment ... -20-8.html
     
     
     Gog and Magog:
     
     not the same which are mentioned in ( Ezekiel 38:1-39:16 ) though there is an allusion to them, and from thence the names are taken, and some of the figures borrowed, and design the enemies of God's people, who will be in the world at this time
     
     ...
     
     these will be all the wicked dead, the rest of the dead, who lived not again until the thousand years are ended, when will be the second resurrection, the resurrection of all the wicked that have been from the beginning of the world; and these, with the posse of devils under Satan, will make up the Gog and Magog army    Quote     Like      Share                  oldmanmike   
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    Straight Jacket Time        27 Oct 2017, 15:31 #436
     
    Seneca,Oct 27 2017 wrote:
    oldmanmike,Oct 15 2017 wrote: Plus I  think Ezekiel's Gog and Magog are post-Jesus' 1000 year reign - where John mentions it. So I pay no attention to that part of Ezekiel. I could be wrong, it's just my opinion.

     John Gill suggests Gog and Magog in Revelation are different from Gog and Magog in Ezekiel.
     
     
     
    https://www.biblestudytools.com/comment ... -20-8.html
     
     
     Gog and Magog:
     
     not the same which are mentioned in ( Ezekiel 38:1-39:16 ) though there is an allusion to them, and from thence the names are taken, and some of the figures borrowed, and design the enemies of God's people, who will be in the world at this time
     
     ...
     
     these will be all the wicked dead, the rest of the dead, who lived not again until the thousand years are ended, when will be the second resurrection, the resurrection of all the wicked that have been from the beginning of the world; and these, with the posse of devils under Satan, will make up the Gog and Magog army Seneca, you and Gill make good points. I'll defer to those who have studied Gog of Magog in detail. I haven't.
     
     These things are certain. The so-called Gog-Magog war is not Armageddon. In Gog-Magog of Ezekiel, Gog is buried along with his army. In Revelation, the beast is thrown into the lake of fire.
     
     Gog-Magog in Ezekiel is not Gog-Magog of Revelation, because Ezekiel's account has a cleanup time, whereas in John's Revelation, eternity starts when Gog-Magog is over.
     
     Therefore, in order, Ezekiel's Gog of Magog is different from Revelation's Armageddon, and is different from Revelation's Gog of Magog.
     
     You're right Seneca, I'm wrong.
     
     This is a good, if not confusing link, that presents all sides to Gog of Magog.
     
     
     http://www.trackingbibleprophecy.org/gog_magog2.php "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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    Straight Jacket Time        28 Oct 2017, 00:18 #437
     
    Sadie,Oct 26 2017 wrote: Excellent work, Mike.
     
     You make some of the Biblical mysteries easier to understand.
    Thank you Sadie. If you notice, I concentrated on the simple part, the physical aspects. I left out the hard part - the political and spiritual implications; meaning, the 7 cities, Jesus 2nd coming, the marriage supper of the lamb, Babylon, participants in Armageddon, and the whole point of Revelation - Jesus' 2nd coming.
     
     The first 4 chapters read like an ordinary New Testament epistle. Then starts the woo-woo.
     
     Just as Jonathon Cahn pointed out that 9th century Israel, Ahab and Jezebel, is a paradigm for 21st century America, I'm pointing out that the plagues of Exodus are a paradigm for the judgments of Revelation. That is all. "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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    Creepy as Hell        07 Nov 2017, 19:53 #438
     BTW, what did you mean when you asked on FB, "Where was Jonathan Cahn
     in 1991"?
     
     Just wondering.
     
     
     
     Ex-bishops’ doctrine chief says darkness coming to light under Francis
     
     Crux StaffNovember 1, 2017 AUTHOR
     
     
     Capuchin Father Thomas Weinandy, a former chief of staff for the U.S. Bishops' Committee on Doctrine and a current member of the Vatican's International Theological Commission, has written Pope Francis to say the pontiff is causing "chronic confusion," appointing bishops who "scandalize" the faithful, and prompting ordinary Catholics to "lose confidence in their supreme shepherd."
     
     A former chief of staff for the U.S. bishops’ Committee on Doctrine, and a current member of the Vatican’s International Theological Commission, has written Pope Francis to say that his pontificate “has given those who hold harmful theological and pastoral views the license and confidence to come into the light and expose their previously hidden darkness,” which, one day, will have to be corrected.
     
     While expressing loyalty to Francis as the “Vicar of Christ on earth, the shepherd of his flock,” Capuchin Father Thomas Weinandy nevertheless charges that the pope is:
     Fostering “chronic confusion.”
     
     “Demeaning” the importance of doctrine.
     
     Appointing bishops who “scandalize” believers with dubious “teaching and pastoral practice.”
     Giving prelates who object the impression they’ll be “marginalized or worse” if they speak out.
     
     Causing faithful Catholics to “lose confidence in their supreme shepherd.”
     
     “In recognizing this darkness, the Church will humbly need to renew itself, and so continue to grow in holiness,” Weinandy wrote in the letter, which is dated July 31, the feast of St. Ignatius Loyola, founder of the pope’s Jesuit order.
     
     While covering some of the same ground, Weinandy distanced himself from a recent “filial correction” of Pope Francis issued by a group of scholars and theologians over what signatories described as “heretical positions” that they claimed the pope has “effectively upheld.”
     
     Weinandy said he was not invited to sign the letter, had only “heard rumors” of it, and would not have signed if asked.
     
     “I don’t think it was theologically helpful, or presented in an effective manner,” he said.
     
     SKIP>>
     
     The full text can be read here. In the three-page missive, Weinandy makes five basic points.
     First, he tells Francis that in his document on the family, Amoris Laetitia, “your guidance at times seems intentionally ambiguous, thus inviting both a traditional interpretation of Catholic teaching on marriage and divorce as well as one that might imply a change in that teaching.”
     
     “To teach with such an intentional lack of clarity inevitably risks sinning against the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of truth,” Weinandy wrote.
     
     Weinandy also complains that Francis seems “to censor and even mock” those with traditional positions on marriage, styling them as “Pharisaic stone-throwers who embody a merciless rigorism.”
     
     “This kind of calumny is alien to the Petrine ministry,” he said.
     Second, Weinandy objects that Francis too often portrays doctrine as “dead and bookish,” and accuses those concerned with upholding doctrine of turning it into an “ideology.”
     “But it is precisely Christian doctrine … that frees people from worldly ideologies and assures them they are actually preaching and teaching the authentic, life-giving Gospel,” he wrote.
     Third, Weinandy charges, faithful Catholics are “disconcerted” by the appointment of bishops “who seem not merely open to those who hold views counter to Christian belief, but who support and even defend them.”
     
     Faithful Catholics are also demoralized, Weinandy said, when Francis seems “silent” in the face of the “teaching and pastoral practice” of those bishops, whom he does not name, saying such Catholics “are losing confidence in their supreme shepherd.”
     Fourth, Weinandy asserts, the kind of decentralization being pushed by Francis undercuts the Church’s unity.
     
     “Encouraging a form of ‘synodality’ that allows and promotes various doctrinal and moral options within the Church can only lead to more theological and pastoral confusion,” he said.
     Finally, Weinandy tells Francis he’s stifling legitimate criticism.
     
     “Bishops are quick learners,” he wrote, “and what many have learned from your pontificate is not that you are open to criticism, but that you resent it,” claiming that many bishops don’t speak out publicly for fear they will be “marginalized or worse.”
     
     
     more
     https://cruxnow.com/vatican/2017/11/01/ ... t-francis/
     
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    Straight Jacket Time        08 Nov 2017, 00:32 #439
     
    Sadie,Nov 7 2017 wrote: BTW, what did you mean when you asked on FB, "Where was Jonathan Cahn
     in 1991"?
     
     Just wondering.
     
    The Paradigm by Jonathon Cahn has, in hindsight, shown that Ahab and Jezebel's career in Israel in the 900s BC was a prototype of the Clinton's career, right down to the disgracing of Hillary by Donna Brazile.
     
     You remember when Elijah called out the prophets of Baal?
     
     Elijah is our prototype, our paradigm. "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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    Straight Jacket Time        08 Nov 2017, 01:07 #440
     I decided to teach my chart from what Jesus said in Matthew 24. I noticed that in the so-called "Olivet Discourse" in hi lifer lingo - what Jesus preached to the apostles when they asked. "when will these things be, what are the signs of the end of the age?", Jesus covered the 5 seals. In the chart, I put the appropriate verse #s under each seal, Matthew and Revelations. Then it get weird. I'm trying to draw a parallel here between Jesus and John the Revelator.
     
     But first - Matthew 24:7 is the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse. the 1st 4 seals. Matthew 24:9 is church persecution. the 5th seal, souls under the altar. OK
     
     Now, Jesus says in the King James,
     
     29. Immediately after the tribulation (NOTICE HE SAID AFTER) of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
     30. And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
     31. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
     
     John says in Revelation 6:
     
     12. And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
     13. And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
     14. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
     15. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
     16. And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
     17. For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
     
     It is at the sixth seal where the parallelism falls apart, as if Jesus skips forward to Revelation's 6th Bowl judgment.
     
     I'm going to say so. It seems funny to me Jesus doesn't mention the trumpets and bowls in between except for the last trumpet - (Don't get nervous Sadie - the last trumpet, notice "gathering from one end of heaven to the other" - the elect - the believers in Jesus - are already in heaven.)
     
     I think the reason he doesn't mention it is, he's talking to the apostles, (us in the church) and we're not to be concerned, because we aren't going to see those things, by then we'll be raptured. And I think it occurs between the 5th and 6th seal, notice, "who can withstand the wrath of the Lamb" and like Elmo and me said years ago, I said that Paul said, "We aren't appointed to wrath." and Elmo said, "Jesus ain't gonna beat his wife."
     
     Forget Krampus, Wayha, get Jesus! (but keep your sword because Jesus said two is enough) "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"

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    Straight Jacket Time        08 Nov 2017, 01:19 #441
     the other night, EWTN was running a "Come home to Rome" show and I tuned to it awhile, those poor misguided Catholics who still believe in the transubstantiation - that the bread and wine become the body and blood of Jesus at Communion time - when Jesus plainly told us, Do this in remembrance of me - the bread and wine routine at the Last Supper. Of course Jesus is the bread of life, of course his blood washes us clean of sin, but they go one step too far.
     
     They accuse us of "sola scriptura" - by scripture alone; well, yeah, buddy, God said, don't be adding stuff to my Word. Gimme a break! "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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    Straight Jacket Time        08 Nov 2017, 14:14 #442
     My latest revision of the earlier chart. I don't know if this is readable at 167 KB "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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    Straight Jacket Time        08 Nov 2017, 14:27 #443
     
    Sadie,Nov 7 2017 wrote: BTW, what did you mean when you asked on FB, "Where was Jonathan Cahn
     in 1991"?
     
     Just wondering.
     
     
     
     Ex-bishops’ doctrine chief says darkness coming to light under Francis
     
     Crux StaffNovember 1, 2017 AUTHOR
     
     
     Capuchin Father Thomas Weinandy, a former chief of staff for the U.S. Bishops' Committee on Doctrine and a current member of the Vatican's International Theological Commission, has written Pope Francis to say the pontiff is causing "chronic confusion," appointing bishops who "scandalize" the faithful, and prompting ordinary Catholics to "lose confidence in their supreme shepherd."
     
     A former chief of staff for the U.S. bishops’ Committee on Doctrine, and a current member of the Vatican’s International Theological Commission, has written Pope Francis to say that his pontificate “has given those who hold harmful theological and pastoral views the license and confidence to come into the light and expose their previously hidden darkness,” which, one day, will have to be corrected.
     
     While expressing loyalty to Francis as the “Vicar of Christ on earth, the shepherd of his flock,” Capuchin Father Thomas Weinandy nevertheless charges that the pope is:
     Fostering “chronic confusion.”
     
     “Demeaning” the importance of doctrine.
     
     Appointing bishops who “scandalize” believers with dubious “teaching and pastoral practice.”
     Giving prelates who object the impression they’ll be “marginalized or worse” if they speak out.
     
     Causing faithful Catholics to “lose confidence in their supreme shepherd.”
     
     “In recognizing this darkness, the Church will humbly need to renew itself, and so continue to grow in holiness,” Weinandy wrote in the letter, which is dated July 31, the feast of St. Ignatius Loyola, founder of the pope’s Jesuit order.
     
     While covering some of the same ground, Weinandy distanced himself from a recent “filial correction” of Pope Francis issued by a group of scholars and theologians over what signatories described as “heretical positions” that they claimed the pope has “effectively upheld.”
     
     Weinandy said he was not invited to sign the letter, had only “heard rumors” of it, and would not have signed if asked.
     
     “I don’t think it was theologically helpful, or presented in an effective manner,” he said.
     
     SKIP>>
     
     The full text can be read here. In the three-page missive, Weinandy makes five basic points.
     First, he tells Francis that in his document on the family, Amoris Laetitia, “your guidance at times seems intentionally ambiguous, thus inviting both a traditional interpretation of Catholic teaching on marriage and divorce as well as one that might imply a change in that teaching.”
     
     “To teach with such an intentional lack of clarity inevitably risks sinning against the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of truth,” Weinandy wrote.
     
     Weinandy also complains that Francis seems “to censor and even mock” those with traditional positions on marriage, styling them as “Pharisaic stone-throwers who embody a merciless rigorism.”
     
     “This kind of calumny is alien to the Petrine ministry,” he said.
     Second, Weinandy objects that Francis too often portrays doctrine as “dead and bookish,” and accuses those concerned with upholding doctrine of turning it into an “ideology.”
     “But it is precisely Christian doctrine … that frees people from worldly ideologies and assures them they are actually preaching and teaching the authentic, life-giving Gospel,” he wrote.
     Third, Weinandy charges, faithful Catholics are “disconcerted” by the appointment of bishops “who seem not merely open to those who hold views counter to Christian belief, but who support and even defend them.”
     
     Faithful Catholics are also demoralized, Weinandy said, when Francis seems “silent” in the face of the “teaching and pastoral practice” of those bishops, whom he does not name, saying such Catholics “are losing confidence in their supreme shepherd.”
     Fourth, Weinandy asserts, the kind of decentralization being pushed by Francis undercuts the Church’s unity.
     
     “Encouraging a form of ‘synodality’ that allows and promotes various doctrinal and moral options within the Church can only lead to more theological and pastoral confusion,” he said.
     Finally, Weinandy tells Francis he’s stifling legitimate criticism.
     
     “Bishops are quick learners,” he wrote, “and what many have learned from your pontificate is not that you are open to criticism, but that you resent it,” claiming that many bishops don’t speak out publicly for fear they will be “marginalized or worse.”
     
     
     more
    https://cruxnow.com/vatican/2017/11/01/ ... t-francis/ You're right to be upset over this Sadie - Jeremiah says the pope will pay for these abominations!
     
     
     Jer 23:1-4
     1 "Woe to the shepherds who are destroying and scattering the sheep of my pasture!" declares the LORD.
     2 Therefore this is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says to the shepherds who tend my people: "Because you have scattered my flock and driven them away and have not bestowed care on them, I will bestow punishment on you for the evil you have done," declares the LORD.
     3 "I myself will gather the remnant of my flock out of all the countries where I have driven them and will bring them back to their pasture, where they will be fruitful and increase in number.
     4 I will place shepherds over them who will tend them, and they will no longer be afraid or terrified, nor will any be missing," declares the LORD.
     NIV
     
     And
     Jer 25:34-38
     34 Weep and wail, you shepherds;
     roll in the dust, you leaders of the flock.
     For your time to be slaughtered has come;
     you will fall and be shattered like fine pottery.
     35 The shepherds will have nowhere to flee,
     the leaders of the flock no place to escape.
     36 Hear the cry of the shepherds,
     the wailing of the leaders of the flock,
     for the LORD is destroying their pasture.
     37 The peaceful meadows will be laid waste
     because of the fierce anger of the LORD.
     38 Like a lion he will leave his lair,
     and their land will become desolate
     because of the sword of the oppressor
     and because of the LORD's fierce anger.
     NIV "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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    Creepy as Hell        08 Nov 2017, 19:12 #444
     I'm seeing a lot of article regarding how the clergy is not
     very happy about the Pope's opinions and views of the Doctine.
     
     here is another
     https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2017/1 ... cis-curia/
     
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    Night Owl        13 Nov 2017, 23:59 #445
     Hey Mike, do you know any information on the Seven Thunders? "If your opponent is quick to anger, seek to irritate him"--Sun Tzu
     
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    Straight Jacket Time        14 Nov 2017, 13:12 #446
     I'm glad you reminded me. Not specifically, but 7 thunders are referenced in Psalms.......Psalm 29 - goes right along with Velikovsky and my template.
     
     
     Ps 29:3-9
     3 The voice of the LORD is over the waters;
     the God of glory thunders,
     the LORD thunders over the mighty waters.
     4 The voice of the LORD is powerful;
     the voice of the LORD is majestic.
     5 The voice of the LORD breaks the cedars;
     the LORD breaks in pieces the cedars of Lebanon.
     6 He makes Lebanon skip like a calf,
     Sirion like a young wild ox.
     7 The voice of the LORD strikes
     with flashes of lightning.
     8 The voice of the LORD shakes the desert;
     the LORD shakes the Desert of Kadesh.
     9 The voice of the LORD twists the oaks
     and strips the forests bare.
     NIV
     
     
     I've come to the realization you can't teach Revelation out of context. You must start with Daniel 9:25-27 and his "weeks of years"; the "prophetic gap" between verse 26 and 27; Daniel chapter 12 at the end, where the man walking on the water (Jesus) tells Daniel that the last 3-1/2 years will be brutal.
     
     I grunted through Daniel's 70 weeks and all variations thereof - there are as many theories as to what that 70 weeks means as there are weeks in the prophecy (lol not quite).
     Where do you start with the 490 years?
     Ezra 1 Cyrus 538 BC
     Ezra 6:15 Darius 6th year 515 BC
     Ezra 7:7 Antaxerxes 7th year 458 BC when they got all the gold back from Babylon.
     
     458 works when you take it to 33 AD when Jesus was crucified, now what about the 1 more week?
     
     I say, I've said it before, I'll say it again, there's a 7 year screw up at the time of Christ. We know John started prophesying in the 15th year of Tiberius AD 29 and Jesus ministry started about age 30 and lasted 3.5 years and he was 33 when he was crucified. We know there was a census at the time of Augustus. We know Herod died minimum 2 years after Jesus was born.
     
     But secular history insists that Herod died 4BC so Jesus must have been born 6-7 BC and the Bible is screwed up. Well I don't think so. Josephus wasn't the most reliable timekeeper, neither were the Greeks or Romans. Some bright archeologist will figure it out sometime.
     
     But Jesus said, "Seal it up until the time of the end, Daniel."
     
     Meaning we will only understand Daniel after the fact, in hindsight, after it's all over with.
     
     Anyway, I'm referencing certain verses in Mathew 24 to Revelations seals.
     
     Here's the Daniel chart I made up that I will use Friday. "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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    Straight Jacket Time        15 Nov 2017, 02:47 #447
     This is big news! The Palestinian PM went to see the new Saudi Prince Salman for a loan, and Salman said, "Here's the deal!"
     http://kehilanews.com/2017/11/14/saudi- ... th-israel/
     
     Commentary from Reddit:
     
     And it's not hype. Jared Kushner flew directly from Riyadh to Tel Aviv, never happened before. The deal includes all of the Middle East saying Israel can exist, with full normalization with everyone. Prince Mohammad bin Salman really did arrest Prince Alaweed and a ton of others. The former Crown Prince's son died in the helicopter crash right in the first hours. Prince Salman summoned the Lebanese PM and had him resign to end the Lebanon truce with Hezbollah. Today he's making the deal with Yemen. Yesterday, the top Christian cleric was met in Riyadh by Prince Salman, very friendly meeting.
     
     This is getting exciting! No sooner than Daniel 9:25 is out of my mouth then............ "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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    Straight Jacket Time        16 Nov 2017, 00:46 #448
     Rogue, I've realized over the past week, you can't teach Revelation with understanding the context. Revelation is in the context of Daniel.
     
     The other two things are, all Biblical prophecy centers on Jerusalem.
     
     Jesus won't physically come back (2nd coming) until the Jews recognize him as the Messiah, Lord God Almighty. Matthew 23 last verse. That's all through the OT prophets, "......and they shall know I am the Lord."
     
     I spent a good 4 hours tonight wading through Albert Barnes' commentary on Daniel 9 - the 70 week prophecy.
     http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/cmt/barnes/dan009.htm
     
     He worked his way through among others, a French historian, Jahn history of the jews as they related to the Middle East. He figured out that Ptolemy's Persian King list was wrong. 10 years out of whack - Xerxes ruled for 11 years instead of 21, Artaxerxes ruled for 50 years instead of 40. He did it because Daniel';s 70 week prophecy was blowing up like I found it to be blowing up, because I was accepting the wrong people's times.
     
     So anyway. Nehemiah 2 454 BC gives the right start for the 49 years / 434 / 483 years' prophecies, so you wind up just a couple years away from 33 AD instead of way under or way over. Hardest reading I've done in a long time.
     
     Barnes used Greek historians and Jahn to figure out that Nehemiah chapter 13 is the end of the 49 year prophecy - Nehemiah's 37th and final year of his second term as governor of Judah, he died in 405 BC, about the same time as Artaxerxes.
     
      "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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    Straight Jacket Time        17 Nov 2017, 23:05 #449
     Daniel's 70 week timeline "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"
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    Straight Jacket Time        17 Nov 2017, 23:51 #450
     Notes about the timeline:
     
     1. The continuation of the 70 year prophecy in Daniel Chapter 12 makes it clear that what we know as when TSHF, that is the last 3-1/2 years of Daniel's 70th year. In other words, my previous chart is to be taken as the events of the last 3-1/2 years.
     
     2. I put into the time line references to every Bible verse that contains times of that period.
     So you can see that one thousand two hundred and threescore days (1260), one thousand two hundred and ninety (1290) days, 42 months, time, times, and half a time, one thousand three hundred and thirty five (1335) all refer to approximately 3 and 1/2 years. Why the angel told Daniel time in this fashion God only knows. 1260 and 42 months are multiples of 30 day months, aka "prophetic time". We followers of Velikovsky know there is no such thing, that just happens to be time as they knew it, from Exodus down to the 7th century.
     
     3. I started my timeline at Nehemiah chapter 2 because Daniel said in 9:25, "When the order is given to rebuild the holy city" - That is Artaxerxes' order to Nehemiah in what turned out to be 454 BC.
     
     In my research, I came across Albert Barns, a 19th century Bible commentator. His commentary on Daniel 9:25-27 goes into excruciating detail.
     
     Background:
     Ptolemy the Wise, a 2nd century Greek historian living in Alexandria, generated what is known as Ptolemy's Canon, a king list from -747 (how about that) down to his time covering the Assyrians, Medes, and Greeks. It is THE authority and it's widely reproduced in every encyclopedia known to modern man.
     
     So Barnes, all by his lonesome, translated Ptolemy's original Greek in the years he was interested in, and figured out by cross referencing to other Greek histories, that there was a ten year error in the reigns of Xerxes and Artaxerxes. He found that Xerxes' reign was ten years too long, and Artaxerxes' was ten years too short.
     
     So when Nehemiah says, "In the twentieth year of Artaxerxes", people thought -444 instead on -454, and when extrapolating forward 49 years, 434 years, wound up in the boondocks, which led to all kinds of wild mathematic formulas to trying to get to 33 AD, "when the anointed one is cut off" (Jesus was crucified.) (Cut off is biblespeak for kill.)
     
     When you google "Daniel's 70 weeks" and look at the timeline images, you will find most of them follow Ptolemy and say 444 or 445, a few follow Barnes and correctly say 454 or 455.
     
     Ptolemy was a famous guy. Nobody ever heard of Albert Barnes. So the error is propagated. People use Barnes' figure without giving Barnes credit. We do no such thing here. Barnes was brilliant. He could read and write Greek, Hebrew and Latin.
     
     -454 +483 + 1 will get you close to 33 AD, and considering how calendars were kept in those days, that's plenty close enough. And besides, Daniel was told to close the book, seal it up, that's all you're going to get told, it will all become clear at the end of days, and we're not there yet. (I still say, the years are screwed up 20 BC to 20 AD) (Barnes says some German guy of his era said the same thing hahaha)
     
     That comment about -747 - Velikovsky picked that date for Uzziah's gigantic earthquake referenced in other places in the Bible. I don't know why he did, but when two men disconnected by 2060 years pick the same date for major disconnected events, my eyebrows get raised. "History becomes legend,
     Legend fades into myth
     Myth is forgotten and denied
     Until history repeats itself"

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